Anyone tried Proxes R1R tires yet?

MKE_M3 · 09-07-2012, 05:21 PM

My buddy is considering them for track tires (Driving School, not competition), or perhaps autocross. it is for his E36 M3.

Any feedbeck or other recommendations for non-competition, DOT legal tires would be appreciated.

Porschefile · 09-07-2012, 06:18 PM

Haven't tried those, but the AD08's are tough to beat for a very streetable dry track tire. PSS if you need wet traction.

MKE_M3 · 09-07-2012, 07:25 PM

thanks for the rec, but they don't make those in the size he's looking at, 235/40 R17

Porschefile · 09-07-2012, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jdemetry

thanks for the rec, but they don't make those in the size he's looking at, 235/40 R17

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....omCompare1=yes

MKE_M3 · 09-08-2012, 06:20 AM

I stand corrected. Thanks again!

pbonsalb · 09-08-2012, 07:35 AM

Periodically, Grassroots Motorsports tests track tires. I think they have done so within the last year or so and that the test included the R1R. I don't recall it being the best choice, but cannot remember all the details. They also have tested the most popular street/autocross tires.

MKE_M3 · 09-08-2012, 08:41 AM

Thanks for the tip pbonsalb! I found the following via the google from Grassroots...

"Toyo Proxes R1R

Mean Time: 34.522 sec. Quick Time: 34.452 sec.

The Toyo Proxes R1R really blurs the line between street and race tire. Despite its sticky rubber compound, the Toyo R1R is actually quite streetable, much like the company’s true R-compound tires.
That engineering really shines when you ask an R1R-equipped car to corner. “Awesome grip is the Toyo’s strong point,” Andy explained. “You feel like you are literally glued to the ground.” Impressive for a tire that can be found online for just $124 apiece.
Unfortunately, the Toyo was a bit hard to control at the limit due to its abrupt breakaway manners. Andy noted that pushing the tire over the edge resulted in “a heavy staccato chatter that is hard to modulate due to a lack of feel.”
The Toyo also exhibited the slowest turn-in response, requiring a total reset of driving technique and timing to make use of all that grip. It helped to give the car more lead time in the slalom, but the tire still took too long to react. That hurt the Toyo’s times, which were solidly in third place.
Toyo does offer something that the others don’t, however: a wide variety of 15-inch sizes. In addition to the 205/50R15 size that we tested, the Proxes R1R is also available in 195/50R15, 195/55R15 and 225/45R15.
That 225/45R15 is a great, fat tire that works well on a 15x7.5-inch wheel. Another option is the 205/45R16; it’s about two tenths of an inch taller than the 205/50R15 and 225/45R15, but offers more precise transitional response thanks to its short sidewalls. (By the way, we’ll be testing these various options in an upcoming issue of GRM.)
Conclusion: Leech-like grip, but also just as squirmy at the limit. "

Given their significant price advantage, they could be a real winner for him.

Porschefile · 09-08-2012, 08:51 AM

All of the data points in this test are good reading material:
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...xes-r1r-page-4

The AD08 and PSS are more money, but they're better tires. I like PSS, AD08, and RS3. Either RS3 or AD08 for dry, and PSS for wet.

Although I'll preface that by saying I respect GRM's opinions more than C&D's, since GRM is a racing oriented magazine and C&D isn't. But it's always good to read multiple opinions before pulling the trigger.

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MKE_M3 Lieutenant Colonel 65 Rep 1,705 Posts Drives: 2011 e90 M3 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Milwaukee, WI iTrader: (0)	Anyone tried Proxes R1R tires yet? My buddy is considering them for track tires (Driving School, not competition), or perhaps autocross. it is for his E36 M3. Any feedbeck or other recommendations for non-competition, DOT legal tires would be appreciated. __________________
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09-07-2012, 06:18 PM	#2
Porschefile Major 59 Rep 1,250 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Tennessee iTrader: (7)	Haven't tried those, but the AD08's are tough to beat for a very streetable dry track tire. PSS if you need wet traction.
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MKE_M3 Lieutenant Colonel 65 Rep 1,705 Posts Drives: 2011 e90 M3 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Milwaukee, WI iTrader: (0)	thanks for the rec, but they don't make those in the size he's looking at, 235/40 R17 __________________
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MKE_M3 Lieutenant Colonel 65 Rep 1,705 Posts Drives: 2011 e90 M3 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Milwaukee, WI iTrader: (0)	I stand corrected. Thanks again! __________________
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pbonsalb Lieutenant General 5234 Rep 10,616 Posts Drives: 18 F90 M5, 99 E36 M3 Turbo Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: New England iTrader: (4)	Periodically, Grassroots Motorsports tests track tires. I think they have done so within the last year or so and that the test included the R1R. I don't recall it being the best choice, but cannot remember all the details. They also have tested the most popular street/autocross tires.
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MKE_M3 Lieutenant Colonel 65 Rep 1,705 Posts Drives: 2011 e90 M3 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Milwaukee, WI iTrader: (0)	Thanks for the tip pbonsalb! I found the following via the google from Grassroots... "Toyo Proxes R1R Mean Time: 34.522 sec. Quick Time: 34.452 sec. The Toyo Proxes R1R really blurs the line between street and race tire. Despite its sticky rubber compound, the Toyo R1R is actually quite streetable, much like the company’s true R-compound tires. That engineering really shines when you ask an R1R-equipped car to corner. “Awesome grip is the Toyo’s strong point,” Andy explained. “You feel like you are literally glued to the ground.” Impressive for a tire that can be found online for just $124 apiece. Unfortunately, the Toyo was a bit hard to control at the limit due to its abrupt breakaway manners. Andy noted that pushing the tire over the edge resulted in “a heavy staccato chatter that is hard to modulate due to a lack of feel.” The Toyo also exhibited the slowest turn-in response, requiring a total reset of driving technique and timing to make use of all that grip. It helped to give the car more lead time in the slalom, but the tire still took too long to react. That hurt the Toyo’s times, which were solidly in third place. Toyo does offer something that the others don’t, however: a wide variety of 15-inch sizes. In addition to the 205/50R15 size that we tested, the Proxes R1R is also available in 195/50R15, 195/55R15 and 225/45R15. That 225/45R15 is a great, fat tire that works well on a 15x7.5-inch wheel. Another option is the 205/45R16; it’s about two tenths of an inch taller than the 205/50R15 and 225/45R15, but offers more precise transitional response thanks to its short sidewalls. (By the way, we’ll be testing these various options in an upcoming issue of GRM.) Conclusion: Leech-like grip, but also just as squirmy at the limit. " Given their significant price advantage, they could be a real winner for him. __________________
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Porschefile Major 59 Rep 1,250 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Tennessee iTrader: (7)	All of the data points in this test are good reading material: http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...xes-r1r-page-4 The AD08 and PSS are more money, but they're better tires. I like PSS, AD08, and RS3. Either RS3 or AD08 for dry, and PSS for wet. Although I'll preface that by saying I respect GRM's opinions more than C&D's, since GRM is a racing oriented magazine and C&D isn't. But it's always good to read multiple opinions before pulling the trigger.
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