So I destroyed my brakes

[GewoW]

Ran Hawk HPS pads for 2 trackdays and completely used them. My mistake for not verifying after each session...I honestly thought they would last past 2 days. Anyways, ended up being metal on metal and warped the pads, piston and rotors. Instead of buying stock again, decided to upgrade . Car was not driveable so had it towed to garage and installed the kit. Wheels are stock 18s 9.5 all around. 12mm spacer in the rear but not needed.

So here goes

Destruction:










Upgrade:

[STALKER]

Good choice, you will be happy with them.

[Malakas]

A new set of pads, and you used them up and warped the rotors in 2 track days??!? Holy wow - are these cars that hard on brakes??

Nice upgrade though... very very nice.

[GewoW]

Originally Posted by Malakas

A new set of pads, and you used them up and warped the rotors in 2 track days??!? Holy wow - are these cars that hard on brakes??

Nice upgrade though... very very nice.

i am. lol. but in all seriousness some have had great experience with these pads...

me, not so much

Originally Posted by STALKER

Good choice, you will be happy with them.

thx bud

[aus]

I hope Persian see's this. He almost got those pads for the track. They are NOT a track pad. They're not even that great of a street pad.
StopTech makes the Sport pad for the OEM calipers that would be a much better street/track pad.

[Dan Halen]

Damn,
that's serious damage.

Enjoy the new ones!!

[GewoW]

Originally Posted by aus

I hope Persian see's this. He almost got those pads for the track. They are NOT a track pad. They're not even that great of a street pad.
StopTech makes the Sport pad for the OEM calipers that would be a much better street/track pad.

yeah they're complete trash. i had less fade with oem. same deal with cool carbons. thought they may be a bit better than stock...not track-only, but just slightly better

last time im ever listening to anyone on the forums for advice.

[kitw]

Yeah, HPS are horrible pads. I'd never run those on a track again, after I had a very similar experience. They are ok until they overheat and then they fall apart and basically never come back. Nice solution! Anyone who has a good experience is just slow (not that there is anything wrong with that!)

[elh0102]

Originally Posted by Malakas

A new set of pads, and you used them up and warped the rotors in 2 track days??!? Holy wow - are these cars that hard on brakes??

No, but some drivers are. Not to bash the OP, since the pad choice was a big part of the problem. But, brakes are consummable, and it's just a matter of weight, speed, and brake demand vs. brake capacity. If you burn through the pads with a fully track-ready brake system, you would see similar damage.

[ThunderMoose]

what size rotors on the front?

[Gearhead999s]

Hawk HPS's sure are not a track pad as you have discovered.It is a different world when you run a BBK with proper track dedicated pads.This year on my new car I went with a Stoptech 380/355 setup and been using Pagid RS29's and my brake concerns have been a thing of the past.8 trackdays so far and I will changing out my orginal front RS 29's which of course only takes about 5 minutes per corner when changing tires.

[GewoW]

Originally Posted by ThunderMoose

what size rotors on the front?

i think 14.5 or 14.25 not sure.

Originally Posted by Gearhead999s

Hawk HPS's sure are not a track pad as you have discovered.It is a different world when you run a BBK with proper track dedicated pads.This year on my new car I went with a Stoptech 380/355 setup and been using Pagid RS29's and my brake concerns have been a thing of the past.8 trackdays so far and I will changing out my orginal front RS 29's which of course only takes about 5 minutes per corner when changing tires.

yeah that's the fun part. one of the main reasons i didn't want to keep stock as changing takes like 15-20/corner. stupid easy with this kit

[persian54]

would you be able to someone get BMW to cover lol
doubt it
i asked cause my friend warped his rotors..but he used stock pads with them

how do you guys think the ST ones will do with the rotors?
do i need to keep checking them...?

[Krozi]

You're a freaking man. Do work.

[GewoW]

Originally Posted by persian54

would you be able to someone get BMW to cover lol
doubt it
i asked cause my friend warped his rotors..but he used stock pads with them

how do you guys think the ST ones will do with the rotors?
do i need to keep checking them...?

depends how you track. some people had great experience with HPS pads.

yeah keep checking man to be safe

[Chrisfast]

Originally Posted by GewoW

depends how you track. some people had great experience with HPS pads.

yeah keep checking man to be safe

Just curious, does anyone have experience with the HP+'s? That's what I was planning on putting on the car for track duty. I've ran them before on other cars and had good luck, but I'd rather not waste my time if you guys think they'll do the same thing as the HPS's. Thanks.

[elh0102]

Originally Posted by Chrisfast

Just curious, does anyone have experience with the HP+'s? That's what I was planning on putting on the car for track duty. I've ran them before on other cars and had good luck, but I'd rather not waste my time if you guys think they'll do the same thing as the HPS's. Thanks.

This is one of those issues that has to be determined by the individual driver; just too many variables to depend on forum advice. If you have had good luck with these pads before under similar conditions, no need not to try them now. I have had good luck so far with the high performance street pads that StopTech furnishes with its brake system. I have friends who would melt them in a day, on the same track. These ST pads, as well as the HP+, are not track pads, but that doesn't mean they will not work for you. It's always preferred to use the least aggressive pad that does the job.

[Chrisfast]

I thought the Hawk HP+'s were a track pad? I definitely agree with you on what works for one does not necessarily work for all. I ran HP+'s on a number of cars, but all of them had better venting than the M3 does, and all of them had big brake kits that I either installed, or came from the factory. I definitely am looking for a pad that won't kill my rotors in one weekend. Otherwise I am going to have to install a big brake kit on the car and I am really trying to avoid that.
I'll take a look again at the HP+'s, but I swear those are track pads. Either that, or I've gotten extremely lucky with them and must be lighter on the brakes than I thought. Thanks a lot for the response. I'm also going to check and see if Stoptech makes a pad for track use on the factory brake system. Appreciate it!

[montreal red]

Originally Posted by Chrisfast

I thought the Hawk HP+'s were a track pad? I definitely agree with you on what works for one does not necessarily work for all. I ran HP+'s on a number of cars, but all of them had better venting than the M3 does, and all of them had big brake kits that I either installed, or came from the factory. I definitely am looking for a pad that won't kill my rotors in one weekend. Otherwise I am going to have to install a big brake kit on the car and I am really trying to avoid that.
I'll take a look again at the HP+'s, but I swear those are track pads. Either that, or I've gotten extremely lucky with them and must be lighter on the brakes than I thought. Thanks a lot for the response. I'm also going to check and see if Stoptech makes a pad for track use on the factory brake system. Appreciate it!

the hp+ pads are double duty pads that can be used on the street with some track use. They arent dedicated track pads. Same is true for the stoptech street performance pads that i am on right now.

Btw, i've had good experience with hp+. I am no where near as hard on the brakes as gewow. I've even done hpde's with oem pads with minimal fade - maybe slight sponginess towards the end of the sessions but nothing major. It all depends on how hard u are on brakes and ur driving style.

[RayC]

Hmm...maybe I should go destroy my brakes too.

Congrats on the new BBK!

[mkPOTO]

dam that sucks, but at least have a sick set of brakes

[Dustin@AEp]

I use the Hawk blue pads in the front, and the +'s in the rear. Seems to work decently well for me, but nothing like a bbk. The HPS's are not up for the track duty. Good luck with the new AP BBK!