Bad news Canada will get MY2011 not 2012

discoboy1 · 02-28-2011, 04:21 PM

Talk to my CA today, this is the latest release from BMW Canada

On the brighter side, I got my order number for delivery in May

SamS · 02-28-2011, 04:23 PM

I'm sure it has to do with emissions/regulations requirements of MY2011 cars vs. MY2012.

BTW, congratulations!!!

eeghie · 02-28-2011, 05:54 PM

MY change is no biggy I guess, just late in the game. But then does anyone find this confusing:

Last sentence first paragraph page 1:
"... has been replaced with option 430 Auto Dimming Exterior Mirrors."

Last sentence last paragraph page 1:
"Please note that the auto-dimming feature is not available on these mirrors."

Did someone forgot to sync the last statement on page 1 or is there a regulatory restriction (included in 838 Canadian Specifications) on auto dimming mirrors in Canada?

And again a mention of "limited production" of a local market contrary to the global marketing statement of "Unlimited, but ... "

Common BMW, be consistent and clear please?

YVES1M · 03-07-2011, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by discoboy1

Talk to my CA today, this is the latest release from BMW Canada

On the brighter side, I got my order number for delivery in May

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What's you production month..?? mine was supposed to be march but now april

but it seems that no 1m will be on the road until may 2..

///M1 · 03-07-2011, 04:30 PM

Does Canada have new CAFE rules effective 2012 as the US? If so, this may prompt the MY change, although I find it perplexing because how much can a few hundred cars skew the Average Corporate numbers, I mean really? And it's not like the 1///M is a gas guzzler...

skyphab · 03-07-2011, 04:42 PM

Why should it be about the CAFE standards? The model year is an internal BMW declaration.

Or otherwise every car maker would just declare all cars as MY2010. Problem solved!
What sense does this make.

discoboy1 · 03-07-2011, 05:09 PM

April

Quote:

Originally Posted by YVES1M

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What's you production month..?? mine was supposed to be march but now april

but it seems that no 1m will be on the road until may 2..

SamS · 03-07-2011, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by skyphab

Or otherwise every car maker would just declare all cars as MY2010. Problem solved!

Fantastic idea! You should call BMW NA and let them know. Think of all the millions they could save by avoiding emissions regulations.

1-800-831-1117

BimmerMat135 · 03-07-2011, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SamS

Fantastic idea! You should call BMW NA and let them know. Think of all the millions they could save by avoiding emissions regulations.

1-800-831-1117

A brand new 2010 bmw with a october 2017 production.

skyphab · 03-08-2011, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamS

Fantastic idea! You should call BMW NA and let them know. Think of all the millions they could save by avoiding emissions regulations.

1-800-831-1117

That was ironic and as I tried to say: It makes no sense to reason the declaration of the 1M as MY2011 with the upcoming CAFE standards of 2012.

SamS · 03-08-2011, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by skyphab

It makes no sense to reason the declaration of the 1M as MY2011 with the upcoming CAFE standards of 2012.

Sure it does.... MY2011 does not fall into the same category (more restrictions) as MY2012 cars. Where is the misunderstanding?

skyphab · 03-08-2011, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamS

Sure it does.... MY2011 does not fall into the same category (more restrictions) as MY2012 cars. Where is the misunderstanding?

I just don't think that the laws behind all that take the "Model Year" definition from a car producer as refence. Since the "Model Year" is not linked to the actual year the car is produced in, it makes no sense.

I'm guessing the CAFE laws reference on "cars produced in 2012" or have their "first registration in 2012". So the model year itself isn't important.

And that's what I tried to say: The defined model year for a specific car isn't relevant for the laws. It's the date they are produced or the time they first show up on the roads.
If the model year would be relevant, BMW could just declare all cars MY2010 and bypass the laws.

Bottom line in my understanding: BMW doesn't declare the BMW as MY2011 because of CAFE. A more realistic point would be that the 1M is not designed to be produced along the range of all other MY2012 cars (Q4'11 to Q3'12).

SamS · 03-08-2011, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skyphab

I just don't think that the laws behind all that take the "Model Year" definition from a car producer as refence. Since the "Model Year" is not linked to the actual year the car is produced in, it makes no sense.

I'm guessing the CAFE laws reference on "cars produced in 2012" or have their "first registration in 2012". So the model year itself isn't important.

And that's what I tried to say: The defined model year for a specific car isn't relevant for the laws. It's the date they are produced or the time they first show up on the roads.
If the model year would be relevant, BMW could just declare all cars MY2010 and bypass the laws.

Bottom line in my understanding: BMW doesn't declare the BMW as MY2011 because of CAFE. A more realistic point would be that the 1M is not designed to be produced along the range of all other MY2012 cars (Q4'11 to Q3'12).

First off, you appear to be doing more "guessing" on the subject, than being familiar with the actual laws as related to model year. Things may be different in Europe, but here we go by Model Year.

Second, the US and Canada effectively share the same standards when it comes to CAFE laws.

Third, "model year" is in fact the primary determining factor for designation of which emissions standards a particular car must comply to. All the dirty details are here and explicitly reference "Model Year" as the measurement of compliance. And there are rules that indicate that production must correspond to MY designation, so there won't be any loophole of producing MY2011 cars in calendar year 2012. Those details can be found here.

All of the above are the main reasons why the 1M will be a MY2011 only, and cease production Dec 2011.

SamS · 03-08-2011, 10:06 AM

To get very particular about it as related to CAFE standards, the “model year”, when referring to a specific calendar year, means—

(A) the annual production period of a manufacturer, as decided by the Administrator, that includes January 1 of that calendar year; or
(B) that calendar year if the manufacturer does not have an annual production period.

Section 32901 (16) of Chapter 329 of Title 49 of the United States Code, 49 U.S.C. 32901

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