Performance comparison figures

[dopper99]

As a waiting M3 owner I've been digging around on AC schnitzers website as their performance upgrade stats show standard figures also.


By Christ I didn't realise how quick the M3/M4 is as standard!!! I thought my 335d was reasonably quick.......but comparing figures below, it appears pedestrian!

The following are AC schnitzers standard car tested figures that they've done themselves I believe.

Paying particular attention to the 80 - 180 km/h (50 - 111mph), the M3/M4 is only 3 tenths behind a F10 M5!!!

Seems a very rapid car, when you compare these standard car stats below.


M3/M4

0-100 km/h 4.1s
80 - 180 km/h 7.9s

http://preisliste.ac-schnitzer.de/ac...40&ID_NR=13596



F30 335i

0-100 km/h 5.2s
80 - 180 km/h 14s

http://preisliste.ac-schnitzer.de/ac...340&ID_NR=9705



F30 335d

0-100 km/h 4.8s
80 - 180 km/h 11.8s

http://preisliste.ac-schnitzer.de/ac...01&ID_NR=11645



F10 M5

0-100 km/h 4.3s
80 - 180 km/h 7.6s

http://preisliste.ac-schnitzer.de/ac...10&ID_NR=11548


I now see why MCarChris wants another M3.
Be interested in Wills2 opinion as he has had both M5 and M3.

Not that is really matters - but it's just a bit of fun to compare figures.

[JustChris]

Holy Mother Load of @Dopper what have you done an M car speed comparison....on F30 post, and you dropped the M5 in there too

Properly, properly fast cars all the F8X (now including the M2 F87). First time you fishtail on the Motorway doing sixty you don't forget in a hurry. I can't quite believe with Comp Pack I'm going to have a 450hp car, in my childhood dreams!!

By design though I am slowing myself a little and going with the 6MT, cant wait for the rev matched downshifts with that Sport Exhaust too.

CANNOT WAIT now.

My mid-life crisis was returning the M4! It is addictive.

PS Start up in underground parking

[dopper99]

Originally Posted by MCarChris

Holy Mother Load of @Dopper what have you done an M car speed comparison....on F30 post, and you dropped the M5 in there too

Properly, properly fast cars all the F8X (now including the M2 F87). First time you fishtail on the Motorway doing sixty you don't forget in a hurry. I can't quite believe with Comp Pack I'm going to have a 450hp car, in my childhood dreams!!

By design though I am slowing myself a little and going with the 6MT, cant wait for the rev matched downshifts with that Sport Exhaust too.

CANNOT WAIT now.

My mid-life crisis was returning the M4! It is addictive.

PS Start up in underground parking

No, this is F80post not F30post!!
Don't want the piss the lads off in there any more by going on about M3's
It's bad enough with that ginormous thread that seems to have taken over the forum in the last week.

[JustChris]

lol @ me sorry haha, was replying to stuff over there.

[dopper99]

Haha no worries.


I think I'm going to scare to shit out of myself when I first put the hammer down after its first service.

Not even been in one yet, saving that pleasure for when I pick mine up. In hindsight, probably a good job I didn't drive one as the missus would be put off by the exhaust, I'm sure. And she only mentioned to me the other day "oh it's a petrol then?"


BTW Chris, are they reasonably quiet when pootiling around town in Comfort mode? At least it will keep the missus happy if they are.

[Karlj]

I've kept myself away from the numbers game as the car felt bloody quick when tested, and I didn't want to spoil any potential illusion of speed. But dear me, those times!

I'm rather glad we're getting our cars in the warmer months of the year, not sure I'd want to 'find my feet' in this thing during the winter...

[M5essex]

Originally Posted by dopper99

As a waiting M3 owner I've been digging around on AC schnitzers website as their performance upgrade stats show standard figures also.


By Christ I didn't realise how quick the M3/M4 is as standard!!! I thought my 335d was reasonably quick.......but comparing figures below, it appears pedestrian!

The following are AC schnitzers standard car tested figures that they've done themselves I believe.

Paying particular attention to the 80 - 180 km/h (50 - 111mph), the M3/M4 is only 3 tenths behind a F10 M5!!!

Seems a very rapid car, when you compare these standard car stats below.


M3/M4

0-100 km/h 4.1s
80 - 180 km/h 7.9s

http://preisliste.ac-schnitzer.de/ac...40&ID_NR=13596



F30 335i

0-100 km/h 5.2s
80 - 180 km/h 14s

http://preisliste.ac-schnitzer.de/ac...340&ID_NR=9705



F30 335d

0-100 km/h 4.8s
80 - 180 km/h 11.8s

http://preisliste.ac-schnitzer.de/ac...01&ID_NR=11645



F10 M5

0-100 km/h 4.3s
80 - 180 km/h 7.6s

http://preisliste.ac-schnitzer.de/ac...10&ID_NR=11548


I now see why MCarChris wants another M3.
Be interested in Wills2 opinion as he has had both M5 and M3.

Not that is really matters - but it's just a bit of fun to compare figures.

Interesting that the ACS M3/4 0-62mph time only improved by a 10th of a second with the all that extra hp and tq they've added. Is traction, or lack of, this cars greatest enemy? The CP with only 19 more ponies takes the same 10th of a second off the standard car to 62, so would an AC tune on a CP car taken even more time off the 0-62? Have they even confirmed they can tune the CP cars yet?

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by M5essex

Interesting that the ACS M3/4 0-62mph time only improved by a 10th of a second with the all that extra hp and tq they've added. Is traction, or lack of, this cars greatest enemy? The CP with only 19 more ponies takes the same 10th of a second off the standard car to 62, so would an AC tune on a CP car taken even more time off the 0-62? Have they even confirmed they can tune the CP cars yet?

Id think traction has a large part to play but also diminishing returns kick in too, tricky to shave larger 0.2s chunks of sub 4s 0-62 cars for sure.

[scottc]

Originally Posted by dopper99

Haha no worries.


I think I'm going to scare to shit out of myself when I first put the hammer down after its first service.

Not even been in one yet, saving that pleasure for when I pick mine up. In hindsight, probably a good job I didn't drive one as the missus would be put off by the exhaust, I'm sure. And she only mentioned to me the other day "oh it's a petrol then?"


BTW Chris, are they reasonably quiet when pootiling around town in Comfort mode? At least it will keep the missus happy if they are.

I have driven a couple now and found it great to drive when in comfort. What surprised me the most is how relaxing it can be then at a flick of a button it changes in to a complete animal. I was surprised at how quiet it was in comfort

[gtsussex]

Originally Posted by MCarChris

Id think traction has a large part to play but also diminishing returns kick in too, tricky to shave larger 0.2s chunks of sub 4s 0-62 cars for sure.

I've driven the ACS car a few times now. It's purely a question of traction to be honest. Once rolling at speed it's definitely very quick. The thing that got me was just how even more torquey than standard it was lower down (2.5k to 4k) which actually makes it a very relaxed when you can't be a*sed. Above 4k, it's just a bit bonkers.

[dopper99]

Originally Posted by scottc

I have driven a couple now and found it great to drive when in comfort. What surprised me the most is how relaxing it can be then at a flick of a button it changes in to a complete animal. I was surprised at how quiet it was in comfort

Thanks Scott, that's good to know.

Most YouTube vids tend to want to show how how LOUD the car can be and not how quiet it could be under normal driving!! Like 2 cars in one.

[M5essex]

Originally Posted by gtsussex

I've driven the ACS car a few times now. It's purely a question of traction to be honest. Once rolling at speed it's definitely very quick. The thing that got me was just how even more torquey than standard it was lower down (2.5k to 4k) which actually makes it a very relaxed when you can't be a*sed. Above 4k, it's just a bit bonkers.

I am a little bit tempted I must admit....

do we void our manufacturers warranty if we get the ACS power upgrade or are they supported jointly by BMW/ACS?

[gtsussex]

Originally Posted by M5essex

I am a little bit tempted I must admit....

do we void our manufacturers warranty if we get the ACS power upgrade or are they supported jointly by BMW/ACS?

ACS basically cover anything the BMW won't. Loads of people have questioned whether they actually would or will it just end up in an argument between BMW and ACS and you'll end up with grief. My personal experience with ACS is nothing but good and when I did have an issue with my power box (the first they have ever had in the UK), ACS covered all the costs (and hassle) with my dealer.

I actually had my ACS box fitted by my dealer (along with first set of springs) and they were well aware of the mods. For me, it was ease of mind. IF something did go wrong, they would just liase between themselves and not my issue.

It does depend on your BMW dealer - mine has a very good relationship with ACS and a very good relationship with me (we currently have 5 cars they look after) so it makes things very easy indeed.

Can't say enough good things about them. It isn't cheap but peace of mind is everything for me.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by Karlj

I'm rather glad we're getting our cars in the warmer months of the year, not sure I'd want to 'find my feet' in this thing during the winter...

Winter is the best time to learn a car, lower limits, less traction etc...

[M5essex]

Originally Posted by Wills2

Winter is the best time to learn a car, lower limits, less traction etc...

hi mate. how you liking your swap from the M5? have you done your break in service yet? i'm sure you must have with your regular trips to Essex...!

[M5essex]

Originally Posted by gtsussex

ACS basically cover anything the BMW won't. Loads of people have questioned whether they actually would or will it just end up in an argument between BMW and ACS and you'll end up with grief. My personal experience with ACS is nothing but good and when I did have an issue with my power box (the first they have ever had in the UK), ACS covered all the costs (and hassle) with my dealer.

I actually had my ACS box fitted by my dealer (along with first set of springs) and they were well aware of the mods. For me, it was ease of mind. IF something did go wrong, they would just liase between themselves and not my issue.

It does depend on your BMW dealer - mine has a very good relationship with ACS and a very good relationship with me (we currently have 5 cars they look after) so it makes things very easy indeed.

Can't say enough good things about them. It isn't cheap but peace of mind is everything for me.

thanks for that response

i've just checked out their website, which I should have done first and yes it is quite pricey for a piggy back! but like you say warranty and piece of mind is important and I don't want to be messing with a £ 70k car straight out of the box without knowing it's covered by warranty.

i've just made contact with ACS actually and they are finding out if the performance upgrade works the same with CP cars, as I don't think they have sold any yet to CP owners.

I cant believe I am even considering a performance upgrade when I haven't even driven my new car yet...

[gtsussex]

Originally Posted by M5essex

thanks for that response

i've just checked out their website, which I should have done first and yes it is quite pricey for a piggy back! but like you say warranty and piece of mind is important and I don't want to be messing with a £ 70k car straight out of the box without knowing it's covered by warranty.

i've just made contact with ACS actually and they are finding out if the performance upgrade works the same with CP cars, as I don't think they have sold any yet to CP owners.

I cant believe I am even considering a performance upgrade when I haven't even driven my new car yet...

Lorcan's a good guy. I did offer my car up as a test bed for free.

[M5essex]

Originally Posted by gtsussex

Lorcan's a good guy. I did offer my car up as a test bed for free.

haha, I bet you did! that's who just emailed me

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by M5essex

hi mate. how you liking your swap from the M5? have you done your break in service yet? i'm sure you must have with your regular trips to Essex...!

Heh Damo, yes all done within 10 days! LOL. Car is lovely quicker from a standstill than the M5 feels much lighter, better traction off the line, gearbox feels better as well. I'd say the M3 has more traction everywhere than the M5.

Above 80-90mph the M3 feels noticeably slower than the m5, you don't get that huge surge and blast off! As you do in the bigger car.

Power used to dominate the M5 driving experience and it was a little intimating to unleash it all but the M3 is much easier to control and doesn't feel like it's going to spit you off the road.

I remember fishtailing at 95mph on the motorway in the M5 on a WOT that put the willies up me!

[Simon H]

I borrowed a 435D X Drive yesterday, as i wanted to see what this car was about, with great traction etc. As its quoted as around 4.7 to 60, well, yes, it has great traction, tons of torque, but very boring. Once the M4 is up and rolling, and over its traction loss, on sub optimal days, it feels absolutely dynamite, just so so strong and powerful. Its chassis is on a different plane. Ive owned an F10 M5, which i loved, but the M4 is just as quick up until silly speeds, but more exciting. Make no mistake, when driven properly, the M4 is bombastic, with a capital F !!!!

[dopper99]

Originally Posted by Simon H

I borrowed a 435D X Drive yesterday, as i wanted to see what this car was about, with great traction etc. As its quoted as around 4.7 to 60, well, yes, it has great traction, tons of torque, but very boring. Once the M4 is up and rolling, and over its traction loss, on sub optimal days, it feels absolutely dynamite, just so so strong and powerful. Its chassis is on a different plane. Ive owned an F10 M5, which i loved, but the M4 is just as quick up until silly speeds, but more exciting. Make no mistake, when driven properly, the M4 is bombastic, with a capital F !!!!

Interesting to hear your comparison from an 35d as I'm coming from a 335d.

[M5essex]

Originally Posted by Wills2

Heh Damo, yes all done within 10 days! LOL. Car is lovely quicker from a standstill than the M5 feels much lighter, better traction off the line, gearbox feels better as well. I'd say the M3 has more traction everywhere than the M5.

Above 80-90mph the M3 feels noticeably slower than the m5, you don't get that huge surge and blast off! As you do in the bigger car.

Power used to dominate the M5 driving experience and it was a little intimating to unleash it all but the M3 is much easier to control and doesn't feel like it's going to spit you off the road.

I remember fishtailing at 95mph on the motorway in the M5 on a WOT that put the willies up me!

this is good to hear and one of the reasons I too traded in my M5. you only felt it was an M5 with c600Hp when you were giving it the beans and doing silly speeds. other than that you might has well be driving a 530d M sport... bit harsh maybe, but I lost my licence in this car and I don't forgive and forget easily. the trade in with the Porsche soon helped me get over that, once the ban had past...

so the M3 ticking all your boxes as a daily drive and keeping you entertained on a daily basis for now though eh

you've had the 335d xdrive too and like Simon said, it's quick from a standstill but a bit boring and predictable. my mate has a new one and its lovely, but the power is almost too linear, if that can be a negative, but you don't feel like you are going quick until you look at the speedo..

this M3 sounds like just the absolute sweet spot of the M cars. i'm picking mine up at 3 pm today