PCD in January on Stock Tires

s0ul · 11-22-2015, 11:45 PM

[EDIT] PCD scheduled sometime in February!

I'm curious as to how others have worked this out? I've read that the tires don't handle well once the temperature drops below 45. I'm hoping to be able to drive it safely from SC to D.C.

I already have Winter tires / wheels but obviously I cannot bring it with me. I don't mind driving the car in the snow/cold weather but not without the tires.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

afadeev · 11-23-2015, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by s0ul

I'm curious as to how others have worked this out? I've read that the tires don't handle well once the temperature drops below 45. I'm hoping to be able to drive it safely from SC to D.C.

It all depends on the weather.
It' snot the ambient temps that you need to worry about. Nothing drastically bad happens to PSS's when temps drop below any particular temperature point. The stay round, and stick to the ground, though with a slightly reduced coefficient of friction. They also work really well in the wet. Just take it easy when you start driving first thing in the morning, until tires warm up.

I would be concerned about any ice or snow on the ground as your drive further north. DC weather can be unpredictable. PSS's are absolutely worthless over ice or snow.

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Originally Posted by s0ul

I already have Winter tires / wheels but obviously I cannot bring it with me.

If you are really worried, you can ship your winter wheels to SC, and hav them installed (or DIY) on the car before driving back north (stock wheels fit inside with rear seats folded down).

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s0ul · 11-23-2015, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by afadeev

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0ul

I'm curious as to how others have worked this out? I've read that the tires don't handle well once the temperature drops below 45. I'm hoping to be able to drive it safely from SC to D.C.

It all depends on the weather.
It' snot the ambient temps that you need to worry about. Nothing drastically bad happens to PSS's when temps drop below any particular temperature point. The stay round, and stick to the ground, though with a slightly reduced coefficient of friction. They also work really well in the wet. Just take it easy when you start driving first thing in the morning, until tires warm up.

I would be concerned about any ice or snow on the ground as your drive further north. DC weather can be unpredictable. PSS's are absolutely worthless over ice or snow.

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0ul

I already have Winter tires / wheels but obviously I cannot bring it with me.

If you are really worried, you can ship your winter wheels to SC, and hav them installed (or DIY) on the car before driving back north (stock wheels fit inside with rear seats folded down).

a

Thanks for the info and that's possible?

evanevery · 11-23-2015, 11:59 AM

You're driving back from the PDC and the car isn't broken in yet. So you'll be taking it easy anyway, right? As long as there is no snow or ice physically on the road it shouldn't be a problem....

s0ul · 11-23-2015, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by evanevery

You're driving back from the PDC and the car isn't broken in yet. So you'll be taking it easy anyway, right? As long as there is no snow or ice physically on the road it shouldn't be a problem....

I plan to vary the rpm to properly do breakin the car on the first couple of miles!

evanevery · 11-23-2015, 12:12 PM

You should vary the RPM anyway (even over the full 1200 miles)...

While I was over at the Nurburgring a couple of months ago, I had dinner with one of the M Engineers. Since I was taking delivery on a new M4 in a month or so, I specifically asked him about the ongoing debate over "by the book" break-in or running it harder for a quicker break-in, ring seating, etc. He almost fell out of his chair telling me NOT to push it beyond the published guidelines regardless of the technique being used. He specifically stated that drivetrain components in particular will suffer from this alternate process (resulting in a noisy transmission and drivetrain). He was very adamant about this. He also alluded that only the "Americans" entertain this option.

I'm NOT looking to hijack this thread for a discussion on break-in techniques but I present the above info for what its worth. I just did a PCD two weeks ago and I drove by the book for the first 1200 miles...

Have fun in any case...

s0ul · 11-23-2015, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by evanevery

You should vary the RPM anyway (even over the full 1200 miles)...

While I was over at the Nurburgring a couple of months ago, I had dinner with one of the M Engineers. Since I was taking delivery on a new M4 in a month or so, I specifically asked him about the ongoing debate over "by the book" break-in or running it harder for a quicker break-in, ring seating, etc. He almost fell out of his chair telling me NOT to push it beyond the published guidelines regardless of the technique being used. He specifically stated that drivetrain components in particular will suffer from this alternate process (resulting in a noisy transmission and drivetrain). He was very adamant about this. He also alluded that only the "Americans" entertain this option.

I'm NOT looking to hijack this thread for a discussion on break-in techniques but I present the above info for what its worth. I just did a PCD two weeks ago and I drove by the book for the first 1200 miles...

Have fun in any case...

No problem. I never had any intentions on going beyond 5.5k rpm lol

sittingmongoose · 11-23-2015, 01:28 PM

Summer tires are fine for you to drive home on. Just don't expect them to handle amazing at the limit when it's that cold.

As far as snow and ice, I would be surprised if there is any snow by then.

s0ul · 11-23-2015, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sittingmongoose

Summer tires are fine for you to drive home on. Just don't expect them to handle amazing at the limit when it's that cold.

As far as snow and ice, I would be surprised if there is any snow by then.

It seems like my PCD date is going to be taken in February.

BavarianFanatic · 11-23-2015, 05:37 PM

Worst case you camp out a few hours while they treat roads if there's any weather. Interstates don't stay snowy/icy for very long.

And, the tires will have significantly less grip at those temps when cold. They'll do a little better once you get some heat into them, but they'll still stay somewhat "greasy" in my experience.

firedown31 · 11-24-2015, 07:00 AM

I've had zero issues driving to work the past 2-4 weeks in the morning when the temps have been low to mid 30s, with a few below 30 as well, on my PSSs. And I'm just driving like a normal person, no crazy loss of traction, no spins outs, not even TC kicking on (unless I floor it). The cold won't affect you at all if you drive easy/normal. As other have said, if you check the forecast and it's going to snow/ice when you'll be driving home you'll be in trouble. I would wait out the storm at that point if you can't get winter tires on.

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evanevery Lieutenant Colonel 1113 Rep 1,904 Posts Drives: iXM60, i8 Rdstr, M4, i7 M70 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Wisconsin iTrader: (0)	You should vary the RPM anyway (even over the full 1200 miles)... While I was over at the Nurburgring a couple of months ago, I had dinner with one of the M Engineers. Since I was taking delivery on a new M4 in a month or so, I specifically asked him about the ongoing debate over "by the book" break-in or running it harder for a quicker break-in, ring seating, etc. He almost fell out of his chair telling me NOT to push it beyond the published guidelines regardless of the technique being used. He specifically stated that drivetrain components in particular will suffer from this alternate process (resulting in a noisy transmission and drivetrain). He was very adamant about this. He also alluded that only the "Americans" entertain this option. I'm NOT looking to hijack this thread for a discussion on break-in techniques but I present the above info for what its worth. I just did a PCD two weeks ago and I drove by the book for the first 1200 miles... Have fun in any case... __________________ The Jiggery-Pokery is Strong with this One https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1645366 https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1197553 https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...4&postcount=35
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