Tire Rub + Suspension Setup

Funch · 10-06-2015, 04:11 PM

Hey guys, not sure if this is a suspension question or a tire question... OR BOTH!

I recently put 18x8.5 Style 264s w/ 245/35/18 Hankook Ventus V12 Evo2 tires on the front of my 2011 135i. Noticed there was a bit of rub on hard bumps and corners. Suspension set up is eibach pro kit, m3 control arms, m3 sway bar, and whiteline end links. I am not a suspension wizard, but my last alignment after the control arms went in was -1.9 camber in the front. I got my fenders rolled and there is still a bit of rub on hard corners and BIIIIIG bumps.

Would Dinan camber plates resolve this? They add -0.7 camber. I cannot afford to throw coilovers on the car. Custom alignment? Does anyone have a similar setup? Thanks!

PS yes, I know there was a 3 post thread on this like 2 years ago but the answer wasn't there.

Edit: 12mm front spacers.

Ginger_Extract · 10-06-2015, 04:38 PM

How big are your front spacers?

MightyMouseTech · 10-06-2015, 04:38 PM

I am on Apex EC-7 (+45) with 245/35/18 MPSS. M3 front arms and Dinan plates. Absolutely no rub, no fender mods.

Funch · 10-06-2015, 04:39 PM

Completely forgot to note that I have 12mm Apex spacers in the front. Thanks Ginger_Extract

Funch · 10-06-2015, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

I am on Apex EC-7 (+45) with 245/35/18 MPSS. M3 front arms and Dinan plates. Absolutely no rub, no fender mods.

Lowered suspension at all?

Ginger_Extract · 10-06-2015, 04:42 PM

A bit more camber, or a more thorough fender roll will solve the problem. That fitment isn't that aggressive.

Funch · 10-06-2015, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ginger_Extract

A bit more camber, or a more thorough fender roll will solve the problem. That fitment isn't that aggressive.

That is very refreshing to hear. I appreciate the insight

MightyMouseTech · 10-06-2015, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Funch

Lowered suspension at all?

Nope, stock struts and springs.

I don't believe in fender rolling.

Funch · 10-06-2015, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

Nope, stock struts and springs.

I don't believe in fender rolling.

How much travel does your suspension have stock? I dont even remember.

lowbudgethero · 10-06-2015, 05:12 PM

You can try with 10mm spacers and figure out exactly where it's rubbing and I bet they will fit, it will probably prevent everything but the really crazy bumps you get on the highway around here. The bumper tab and the sharp part of the fender is where mine was rubbing on hard bumps so i ground them down.

Funch · 10-06-2015, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lowbudgethero

You can try with 10mm spacers and figure out exactly where it's rubbing and I bet they will fit, it will probably prevent everything but the really crazy bumps you get on the highway around here. The bumper tab and the sharp part of the fender is where mine was rubbing on hard bumps so i ground them down.

Any chance you can provide pictures and what your suspension/wheel/tire setup is? Thanks!

MightyMouseTech · 10-06-2015, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Funch

Quote:

Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

Nope, stock struts and springs.

I don't believe in fender rolling.

How much travel does your suspension have stock? I dont even remember.

Um, lots?!?

gap · 10-06-2015, 06:01 PM

BMW Performance Springs, Dinan Camber Plates, M3 lower control arms, M3 front strut brace with strut tower slotted additional 1/4" with both strut brace rings touching strut tower hole lip, Apex ARC8 with MPS tires 235/40-18", Alignment with Max camber; Drivers
side -2.3*, passenger side -2.9*. Still have a slight wheel to bumper tab rub over large bumps that fully compress the spring.
Have noticed many have less camber adjustment on the left than on the right.
Local body shop owes me a favor so I'm going to see if they can massage the drivers fender to keep it from rubbing. It rarely rubs but I prefer never rubs.

gap · 10-06-2015, 06:28 PM

Forgot to add that only rubs on drivers ( left ) side.
Alignment after M bit installed in Janurary; -2.2* left, -2.5* right.
After slotting and alignment this week; -2.3* left, -2.9* right.
Something about the left side that keeps camber a bit lower.

MightyMouseTech · 10-07-2015, 08:22 AM

Also, adding the M arms does not help clearance as it does not pull the top of the tire in, it pushes the bottom of the tire out, which can actually make it worse. You need to bring the top of the strut in by camber plate or slotting.

I am at 2.17 deg left and right, and no rubbing.

gap · 10-07-2015, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

Also, adding the M arms does not help clearance as it does not pull the top of the tire in, it pushes the bottom of the tire out, which can actually make it worse. You need to bring the top of the strut in by camber plate or slotting.

I am at 2.17 deg left and right, and no rubbing.

Stock ride height like you have is the key to no rubbing. I like my car a little lower. I rarely have a rub and hopefully will never have a rub after a body shop visit.

MightyMouseTech · 10-07-2015, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gap

Stock ride height like you have is the key to no rubbing. I like my car a little lower. I rarely have a rub and hopefully will never have a rub after a body shop visit.

If everything is done right (camber, offset etc etc etc) ride height makes no difference.

lowbudgethero · 10-07-2015, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Funch

Any chance you can provide pictures and what your suspension/wheel/tire setup is? Thanks!

stock suspension, 18x8.5 264 type wheels 10mm spacers, 255/35/18 dunlop zII, camber mod, fenders pulled/roll.

height matters for these tires because they run wide and if I were to do it again I'd probably opt for something 245 sized of this tire instead. Also, a stiffer setup will reduce the amount wheel movement. I've only had minor rub on big dips and potholes on the highway when i don't slow down from 80, I bet if I had a stiffer suspension setup it wouldn't have any issue even on the big dips.

gap · 10-07-2015, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

If everything is done right (camber, offset etc etc etc) ride height makes no difference.

I guess if I were to do it "right" I'd add adjustable camber plates. Just do not
want to do since there is a good possibility of adding noise.
OP sounds like he has a budget and looking for max camber with Dinan Plates.

Saying ride hight doesn't matter is like telling your girlfriend size doen't matter.

wjk_glynn · 10-07-2015, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lowbudgethero

You can try with 10mm spacers...

That'd be my recommendation as well.

I've a no-rub, no-fender-roll setup with 245/35-18 RE050RFT tires on 18x8.5" 264s up front.

Full details at http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1170959

Karl.

MightyMouseTech · 10-08-2015, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gap

Saying ride hight doesn't matter is like telling your girlfriend size doen't matter.

It doesn't matter........to me.

Q. How can you tell when a woman has an orgasm?

A. Who cares?

Funch · 10-08-2015, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by wjk_glynn

That'd be my recommendation as well.

I've a no-rub, no-fender-roll setup with 245/35-18 RE050RFT tires on 18x8.5" 264s up front.

Full details at http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1170959

Karl.

10mm Spacers are kind of sketch to me... Have 12mm up front.

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Funch Private First Class 11 Rep 130 Posts Drives: 2007 z4m coupe Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Rodeo, CA iTrader: (2)	Tire Rub + Suspension Setup Hey guys, not sure if this is a suspension question or a tire question... OR BOTH! I recently put 18x8.5 Style 264s w/ 245/35/18 Hankook Ventus V12 Evo2 tires on the front of my 2011 135i. Noticed there was a bit of rub on hard bumps and corners. Suspension set up is eibach pro kit, m3 control arms, m3 sway bar, and whiteline end links. I am not a suspension wizard, but my last alignment after the control arms went in was -1.9 camber in the front. I got my fenders rolled and there is still a bit of rub on hard corners and BIIIIIG bumps. Would Dinan camber plates resolve this? They add -0.7 camber. I cannot afford to throw coilovers on the car. Custom alignment? Does anyone have a similar setup? Thanks! PS yes, I know there was a 3 post thread on this like 2 years ago but the answer wasn't there. Edit: 12mm front spacers. Last edited by Funch; 10-06-2015 at 04:41 PM..
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MightyMouseTech Major General 4338 Rep 6,196 Posts Drives: 13 135i 6MT LeMans Blue MSport Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Ottawa, Canada iTrader: (0)	I am on Apex EC-7 (+45) with 245/35/18 MPSS. M3 front arms and Dinan plates. Absolutely no rub, no fender mods.
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Funch Private First Class 11 Rep 130 Posts Drives: 2007 z4m coupe Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Rodeo, CA iTrader: (2)	Completely forgot to note that I have 12mm Apex spacers in the front. Thanks Ginger_Extract
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Ginger_Extract California-bound 385 Rep 1,480 Posts Drives: BMW 135i Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Los Angeles, CA iTrader: (3)	A bit more camber, or a more thorough fender roll will solve the problem. That fitment isn't that aggressive. __________________ Streets of Willow: 1:27.7 CW 11/15/15; 1:29.5 CCW 8/15/15 \|\|\|\| Autoclub Speedway ROVAL (CCW): 1.52.6 - 12/2/17 Willow Springs - Big Willow (CW): 1:35.8 - 3/31/18 \|\|\|\| Buttonwillow #13 (CW): 1:59.3 1/27/18 https://www.facebook.com/JakeStumphRacing \|\|\|\| http://www.youtube.com/user/RaceMeMZ3
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lowbudgethero Captain 125 Rep 750 Posts Drives: '98 Z3M (gone), '09 135i Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: 908 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 BMW 135i [8.50]	You can try with 10mm spacers and figure out exactly where it's rubbing and I bet they will fit, it will probably prevent everything but the really crazy bumps you get on the highway around here. The bumper tab and the sharp part of the fender is where mine was rubbing on hard bumps so i ground them down.
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gap First Lieutenant 105 Rep 376 Posts Drives: 2008 135i Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: MS iTrader: (1)	BMW Performance Springs, Dinan Camber Plates, M3 lower control arms, M3 front strut brace with strut tower slotted additional 1/4" with both strut brace rings touching strut tower hole lip, Apex ARC8 with MPS tires 235/40-18", Alignment with Max camber; Drivers side -2.3, passenger side -2.9. Still have a slight wheel to bumper tab rub over large bumps that fully compress the spring. Have noticed many have less camber adjustment on the left than on the right. Local body shop owes me a favor so I'm going to see if they can massage the drivers fender to keep it from rubbing. It rarely rubs but I prefer never rubs. __________________ ER CP, Forge DV, Wagner FMIC, PE, Maddad Mid, ER Sports OC, BMS OCC, RB Check Valve, AFE intake, Cobb AP3- Stage 1+ drive, BMW SS, PS Springs, Yellow Koni external, M3 Control Arms F & R, M3 Strut Brace, M3 Sub Bushing, Rouge Toe, Dinan Camber Plate and Rear Shock Mts., E93 M3 front sway bar, Mfactory Diff, Arc 8 PSS 235/40/18-265/35/18
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gap First Lieutenant 105 Rep 376 Posts Drives: 2008 135i Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: MS iTrader: (1)	Forgot to add that only rubs on drivers ( left ) side. Alignment after M bit installed in Janurary; -2.2* left, -2.5* right. After slotting and alignment this week; -2.3* left, -2.9* right. Something about the left side that keeps camber a bit lower. __________________ ER CP, Forge DV, Wagner FMIC, PE, Maddad Mid, ER Sports OC, BMS OCC, RB Check Valve, AFE intake, Cobb AP3- Stage 1+ drive, BMW SS, PS Springs, Yellow Koni external, M3 Control Arms F & R, M3 Strut Brace, M3 Sub Bushing, Rouge Toe, Dinan Camber Plate and Rear Shock Mts., E93 M3 front sway bar, Mfactory Diff, Arc 8 PSS 235/40/18-265/35/18
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MightyMouseTech Major General 4338 Rep 6,196 Posts Drives: 13 135i 6MT LeMans Blue MSport Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Ottawa, Canada iTrader: (0)	Also, adding the M arms does not help clearance as it does not pull the top of the tire in, it pushes the bottom of the tire out, which can actually make it worse. You need to bring the top of the strut in by camber plate or slotting. I am at 2.17 deg left and right, and no rubbing.
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