Cobb Accessport

AlpineE92M3 · 12-31-2014, 09:24 AM

Hey guys, just a quick question for ya'll. Do you think Cobb will start making the Accessport available for the F80/82 M3/M4? They usually come with preloaded stage 1/2 maps with the ability to tune your own map with their software. In most cases, Cobb-made stage 2 maps usually add about +/- 50whp. Since it is available for 335's. 1M etc. I would think they're not that far off from releasing map versions for the M4. Cobb is a very reputable company, I've had the Accessport back in the day for my STi and it is still one of the great tuning tools available on many platforms to unlock some good, safe HP without breaking the bank. I would definitely pay up to $1000 for an Accessport with a nice, safe stage 2 map to unlock some real ponies. Plus it also adds as a nice multiple gauge reader for boost, AFR, IAT etc. cause it has a nice multicolor screen on it. What do you guys think? Would you pick up an Accessport if it was available for the M3/M4 Fxx chassis?

Mit_Boost · 12-31-2014, 11:08 AM

COBB just recently released support for the 997 Turbo/GTR, Gen 1 (2007-09) and Gen 2 DFI (2010-13). The reason why I mention this is the timeline is because the Porsche has a much more "tuner friendly" ECU than the new F-Gen BMWs (M3/M4/M5/M6).

I also know COBB is trying to release 996 Turbo support, but after that it's likely they'll give the S55 some love, especially after all the success they've had with the N54/N55 BMWs.

If anyone is willing to donate a car for R&D, there's the 3 main COBB locations:

Portland, OR - (503) 670-9500
Fountain Valley, CA - (714) 964-7844
Plano, TX - (214) 291-3020

ASAP · 12-31-2014, 11:18 AM

If cobb releases an AP for the S55, all other tunes will die a quick/natural death...

Seeing as how some are willing to pay $6k for some mediocre exhaust... I would be willing to pay up to $3k for something like this... especiay if it comes with atr. If that doesn't motivate Cobb, then I don't know what will... Start a poll!

JDUni1 · 12-31-2014, 11:41 AM

Here's the answer....

ASAP · 12-31-2014, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JDUni1

Here's the answer....

Thats really old... before a workaround was found. I wonder if their mind has changed.

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AlpineE92M3 · 12-31-2014, 02:08 PM

I think they wold be crazy not to offer it. They would make crazy money if they do. Somoney should tell them to offer it, almost everyone would buy it I would assume.

Jaymax85 · 12-31-2014, 02:23 PM

If a tuner will not willingly and enthusiastically support our community with products why beg them? We have several companies who are loyal to BMW and id rather support them. The email response posted above is such a ridiculous statement... What it should have said is "we can't break the ecu"

teamwerx · 12-31-2014, 02:39 PM

Maybe they can get in touch with Boss330 to find out how to break the ECU and who to contact to get the software! lol

Seriously though, IF BR has broken it, or some other company, I'm sure Cobb would be interested in investing in that process.

shortseller · 12-31-2014, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jawwadh

If a tuner will not willingly and enthusiastically support our community with products why beg them? We have several companies who are loyal to BMW and id rather support them. The email response posted above is such a ridiculous statement... What it should have said is "we can't break the ecu"

Cause the Cobb ap v3 is one of the best things to ever hit the tuning market, hands down. I hope they can figure it out, regardless of what they are saying.

Jaymax85 · 12-31-2014, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by shortseller

Cause the Cobb ap v3 is one of the best things to ever hit the tuning market, hands down. I hope they can figure it out, regardless of what they are saying.

I don't think the Cobb v3 is any better than the JB4, its just a more integrated package.

Black Gold · 12-31-2014, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by teamwerx

Maybe they can get in touch with Boss330 to find out how to break the ECU and who to contact to get the software! lol

Seriously though, IF BR has broken it, or some other company, I'm sure Cobb would be interested in investing in that process.

well, first, tuners (HG motorsports, ESS, BR performance, Jailbreak to name a few) have stated being able to access the ECU via bench flashing.

that is not the same thing as OBD-II based solutions, which is what cobb is

that will come with time

I think you are being foolish by being so dismissive of tuners who state they have access to bench flashes. there are a lot of them claiming this, not just one.

Black Gold · 12-31-2014, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jawwadh

I don't think the Cobb v3 is any better than the JB4, its just a more integrated package.

it works completely differently, and can alter many more parameters and offer a more complete tuning solution.

ASAP · 12-31-2014, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jawwadh

Quote:

Originally Posted by shortseller

Cause the Cobb ap v3 is one of the best things to ever hit the tuning market, hands down. I hope they can figure it out, regardless of what they are saying.

I don't think the Cobb v3 is any better than the JB4, its just a more integrated package.

To take full advantage of a jb4, u need a cobb or flash (lol).

AlpineE92M3 · 12-31-2014, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by shortseller

Cause the Cobb ap v3 is one of the best things to ever hit the tuning market, hands down. I hope they can figure it out, regardless of what they are saying.

If it were available, It would be the first mod I would buy!

achi 3.0 · 12-31-2014, 05:07 PM

Www.techtec.de is able to tune via obd. They was the First which could tune also the msd81 ecu 2008

Really good guys. They tuned my 335i in

teamwerx · 12-31-2014, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KennyPowers

I think you are being foolish by being so dismissive of tuners who state they have access to bench flashes. there are a lot of them claiming this, not just one.

Maybe, maybe not.

So far I've read less than five threads that even raise the issue. At least two of them were debunked. There was a thread months ago about some shop who claimed they had a flash:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...ht=dyno&page=9

Then of course this thread that yielded no evidence:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...1019375&page=7

There's a small amount of proof in this thread, but it's really been the same car that's been discussed in various other threads, and really there still hasn't been a lot of details, and so far as I've seen, repeatable, independently tested proof.

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthr...1066353&page=2

So far EndBoss seems to be the straightest shooter, the most forthcoming with information, and the most active on the site.

Common sense tells me this: there's been three or four reviews on the Dinan piggyback, Golfrrrrrrrrrrrr did a really nice review on the ESS tuner, there's been ten more youtube video's of JB4 equipped cars melting face, why if the demand is there, and all of these shops can do it, why are we not seeing it?

I'm convinced these shops don't have the full capacity to individually dyno tune a car, but I sense that I have made my point and I won't bang on this drum anymore!

Boss330 · 12-31-2014, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by teamwerx

Maybe they can get in touch with Boss330 to find out how to break the ECU and who to contact to get the software! lol

Seriously though, IF BR has broken it, or some other company, I'm sure Cobb would be interested in investing in that process.

The current solution is a benchflash, not OBD as Cobb is known for. OBD has been blocked in the latest ecu's and is still not possible (but some tuners think it might happen eventually).

The current solution requires ECU out of the car and physically opened to access the chip with CMD/Flashtec tools. Not nearly as easy as handheld OBD tuner unfortunately...

teamwerx · 12-31-2014, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss330

Quote:

Originally Posted by teamwerx

Maybe they can get in touch with Boss330 to find out how to break the ECU and who to contact to get the software! lol

Seriously though, IF BR has broken it, or some other company, I'm sure Cobb would be interested in investing in that process.

The current solution is a benchflash, not OBD as Cobb is known for. OBD has been blocked in the latest ecu's and is still not possible (but some tuners think it might happen eventually).

The current solution requires ECU out of the car and physically opened to access the chip with CMD/Flashtec tools. Not nearly as easy as handheld OBD tuner unfortunately...

Kinda makes the piggyback option more appealing?

ASAP · 01-01-2015, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by teamwerx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boss330

Quote:

Originally Posted by teamwerx

Maybe they can get in touch with Boss330 to find out how to break the ECU and who to contact to get the software! lol

Seriously though, IF BR has broken it, or some other company, I'm sure Cobb would be interested in investing in that process.

The current solution is a benchflash, not OBD as Cobb is known for. OBD has been blocked in the latest ecu's and is still not possible (but some tuners think it might happen eventually).

The current solution requires ECU out of the car and physically opened to access the chip with CMD/Flashtec tools. Not nearly as easy as handheld OBD tuner unfortunately...

Kinda makes the piggyback option more appealing?

I dont know why no one catches that lol...

Boss330 · 01-01-2015, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by teamwerx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boss330

Quote:

Originally Posted by teamwerx

Maybe they can get in touch with Boss330 to find out how to break the ECU and who to contact to get the software! lol

Seriously though, IF BR has broken it, or some other company, I'm sure Cobb would be interested in investing in that process.

The current solution is a benchflash, not OBD as Cobb is known for. OBD has been blocked in the latest ecu's and is still not possible (but some tuners think it might happen eventually).

The current solution requires ECU out of the car and physically opened to access the chip with CMD/Flashtec tools. Not nearly as easy as handheld OBD tuner unfortunately...

Kinda makes the piggyback option more appealing?

In many ways, yes it does!

I guess though that with the limitations piggybacks has when it comes to CEL, removing vmax limiter and having to work within the limits of manipulating stock software boundaries some will prefer a software flash

Especially if you want to go higher power, piggybacks seems to be limited in how much they can do before throwing fault codes and limp modes...

After all, a software flash is what Dinan also said is the better solution

And this method has been used in the AMG Tuning scene for years now, so it's nothing new or unproven.

RingMeister01 · 01-01-2015, 10:07 AM

Look how fast the bench flash came. OBD will follow.

F82speed · 01-01-2015, 11:02 AM

Agreed, I think it'll come sooner than later too based on the fairly rapid progress with cracking the ECU combined with the fact that a bench tune requiring physically opening the DME/ECU is really not very dealer/customer "friendly." With that, to me, piggybacks are the most appealing option until OBDII is available. Considering Cobb's history, I can't imagine they wouldn't chase this market once the requisite pieces are in place.

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Mit_Boost Captain 135 Rep 692 Posts Drives: E90 335 Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: NJ iTrader: (0)	COBB just recently released support for the 997 Turbo/GTR, Gen 1 (2007-09) and Gen 2 DFI (2010-13). The reason why I mention this is the timeline is because the Porsche has a much more "tuner friendly" ECU than the new F-Gen BMWs (M3/M4/M5/M6). I also know COBB is trying to release 996 Turbo support, but after that it's likely they'll give the S55 some love, especially after all the success they've had with the N54/N55 BMWs. If anyone is willing to donate a car for R&D, there's the 3 main COBB locations: Portland, OR - (503) 670-9500 Fountain Valley, CA - (714) 964-7844 Plano, TX - (214) 291-3020 __________________ Results >
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F82speed Second Lieutenant 39 Rep 205 Posts Drives: '15 M4 6MT Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: CO iTrader: (0)	Agreed, I think it'll come sooner than later too based on the fairly rapid progress with cracking the ECU combined with the fact that a bench tune requiring physically opening the DME/ECU is really not very dealer/customer "friendly." With that, to me, piggybacks are the most appealing option until OBDII is available. Considering Cobb's history, I can't imagine they wouldn't chase this market once the requisite pieces are in place.
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