F82 M4 Bone Stock 413whp Verse Bms Only, 535whp

[m6beast]

Well finally got my M4 broke in and took her for her base dyno runs before I start product development as well as BMS JB4.

First pulls 93 octane
413WHP 420WTRQ

Raised the boost to MAP 1
470WHP 488WTRQ

Next raised the boost to MAP 2 as I logged and sent them to Terry to check everything. Looking good but not much gains other than torque. This MAP mostly for e30 E85/93 mix.
466WHP 505WTRQ

So I kept it at MAP 2 filled her up with e30 E85/93 mix and ran her for a couple of days till she adapted. Went through a whole tank of gas and refilled as I headed for some more testing.

Same MAP2 with e30 E85/93 mix, car gained some great power
494WHP 511WTRQ

So here we go again raised the boost to MAP 7 while I logged and sent to Terry. So far so good with some great gains even though hasn't adapted.
535WHP 532WTRQ. Not bad considering no adaptaion just doing a couple runs on the dyno.

As I went out for dinner did some adaptation pulls, stopped a couple places for some ignition turns and as the night progressed the car got stronger. I couldn't drive the first 3 gears without having traction issues. Burning 3rd gear at 60 MPH was a reality. By the time I got home I was burning 4th gear at 80 MPH and temps were 45-55F. Crazy!!!! I bet she gained another 20-30WHP since the earlier dyno pulls.

Going back next week to see if she made anymore gains since the adaptation process. Then will do some more fuel tests, 100 octane and then 109 to see how much power she will get before I start product development. I swear this car probably will get 580-600 WHP with 109 octane before any mods touch her.

All I can say is great job Terry she's a beast. Looks like she'll be right there in the 10's like my M6.
I'll keep you guys in the loop as I continue test other fuels and map.
Thanks again Terry for all your help and awesome products with that great customer service you provide. You the man!

[djhex36]

Could you explain the adaptation process? Do you just do a few 3rd - 4th gear pulls back to back?

[m6beast]

You run the car a couple times in a third gear pull then park and arm it. As the days progress do a couple 4th gear pulls and do the same park and arm. The adaptation process takes lots of long gear pulls for example 3rd or 4th and ignition turns meaning turn the car off arming it and letting it sit for a while. The best way is start your morning on your way to work or where ever,do some pulls then park, on your way to lunch do the same. Then on your way back do the same . Then when you leave work same thing. As the day progresses you'll start to notice how strong she's running. Remember it's a piggy back not a tune so the DME will make adjustments through every pull and in sleep mode.
You ever run your car at the track? The car always feels stonger the very next day do to running it hard and turning it off and on through out the day
Hope that makes sence.

[///M Leistung]

That's awesome! Those are some serious numbers! Can't wait for 1200 miles, so I can get this done!

[m6beast]

Originally Posted by ///M Leistung

That's awesome! Those are some serious numbers! Can't wait for 1200 miles, so I can get this done!

I really didn't expect this car to perform this way especially compared to stock. Now that's all I drive I know my F10 M5 is missing me lol.

[///M ARMY]

The car won't hit 560whp with dp and map 6 or 8 with custom boost settings.

[jc05e46m3]

Originally Posted by ///M ARMY

The car won't hit 560whp with dp and map 6 or 8 with custom boost settings.

THIS, except I think drew meant "without"

[m6beast]

Originally Posted by ///M ARMY

The car won't hit 560whp with dp and map 6 or 8 with custom boost settings.

The car did 535 whp just by changing maps from map 2-map7 with e85/93 on two pulls and wasn't even adapted yet. That's a bone stock car, stock intake with charcoal filter, OEM cats and OEM exhaust.
Once I build the the full catless DP and straight through exhaust with resonators and my custom intake you'll see over 600 WHP with 109 octane.
I do real testing and data not an opinion. Dyno Vbox track and racing to get the best setup. Tell me is it possible for an M6 to make 670whp and run 10.7 129 mph?
I guess we will find out if you're right

[Richy Rich]

What's the difference in map 7 and 8, is 8 just the meth variant?

[jc05e46m3]

Originally Posted by m6beast

The car did 535 whp just by changing maps from map 2-map7 with e85/93 on two pulls and wasn't even adapted yet. That's a bone stock car, stock intake with charcoal filter, OEM cats and OEM exhaust.
Once I build the the full catless DP and straight through exhaust with resonators and my custom intake you'll see over 600 WHP with 109 octane.
I do real testing and data not an opinion. Dyno Vbox track and racing to get the best setup. Tell me is it possible for an M6 to make 670whp and run 10.7 129 mph?
I guess we will find out if you're right

Bro, M ARMY has done more testing than you can imagine. We have been running these cars for months here on JB4s and have worked with Terry as well. EAS has as well. It's the turbos that are the limiting factor for top-end power. You will gain a few ponies with the 109 and maybe a couple ponies with the catless DPs. The biggest increase you will see will be wTQ with the DPS and exhaust. I bet the intake is almost negligible as well, but not something that has been tested yet. You WILL NOT see over 600whp on stock turbos. It's just not happening. Just trying to curb your expectations since you're new to the S55 game.

[jc05e46m3]

Originally Posted by Richy Rich

What's the difference in map 7 and 8, is 8 just the meth variant?

8 is the meth map. 7 is the race fuel/aggressive map.

[m6beast]

Originally Posted by Richy Rich

What's the difference in map 7 and 8, is 8 just the meth variant?

Map 7 is mostly for 100 or 109 octane. I had the car on map 2 for e85/93 mix to get my base runs then changed maps just to see some gains. since these change car has been a beast and got stronger by the end of the day. Gonna go back to see if I gotten anymore gains before I add 100 octane.

After another base with adaptation will add 100 octane and go back and Dyno log and work with Terry on any adjustments needed. After that will burn all the 100 then add 109 and go Dyno again for more adjustments .

All in time, I'm trying to get every bit of horsepower just in tuning before my catless DPs, exhaust and intake are added.

All this info is to help you guys see what's the best setup for this car in map and fuel settings.So for those who hating you can relax a bit till all the tests are done.

[Bowser330]

Originally Posted by m6beast

You run the car a couple times in a third gear pull then park and arm it. As the days progress do a couple 4th gear pulls and do the same park and arm. The adaptation process takes lots of long gear pulls for example 3rd or 4th and ignition turns meaning turn the car off arming it and letting it sit for a while. The best way is start your morning on your way to work or where ever,do some pulls then park, on your way to lunch do the same. Then on your way back do the same . Then when you leave work same thing. As the day progresses you'll start to notice how strong she's running. Remember it's a piggy back not a tune so the DME will make adjustments through every pull and in sleep mode.
You ever run your car at the track? The car always feels stonger the very next day do to running it hard and turning it off and on through out the day
Hope that makes sence.

When you say arm it do you mean turn the car on just not the engine on? By pressing the start button without foot on the brake.....right?

[jc05e46m3]

Originally Posted by m6beast

Map 7 is mostly for 100 or 109 octane. I had te car in map 2 for e85/93 mix gig my base runs then upped the boost just to see some gains since these change car has been a beast and got stronger by the end of the day. Gonna go back to see if theres anymore gains before I add 100 octane. After another base with adaptation will add 100 octane and go back and Dyno log and work with Terry on any adjustments. After that will run all the 100 out add 109 and go Dyno again for more asjustments.

All in time, I'm trying to get every bit of horsepower just in tuning before the catless DPs exhaust and intake are added.

All this info is to help you guys see what's the best setup as in map and fuel. So for those who hating you can relax a bit till all the tests are done.

No one is hating. We are speaking from experience.

[m6beast]

Originally Posted by Bowser330

When you say arm it do you mean turn the car on just not the engine on? By pressing the start button without foot on the brake.....right?

When you turn the car off and lock the car

[m6beast]

Originally Posted by jc05e46m3

No one is hating. We are speaking from experience.

What's your experience. Would like to know your process

[jc05e46m3]

Originally Posted by m6beast

What's your experience. Would like to know your process

Very similar process. Dyno time, changing fuels, changing maps, sending logs and updates back and forth with terry and even having him look at my logs in person. I've done plenty of Mexico pulls, but also went to NFZ last weekend and it had plenty of adaptation. I have a full exhaust and catless DPS, and run 100 daily. I used 109 and Map 7 at NFZ and was the highest trapping S55 car there. Straight from Terry's mouth, the cars are limited on power because of the turbos' size. I guarantee you will not see over 600whp on stock turbos.

There is a stage 2 solution coming out for the turbos here very soon, so keep your eyes out for that. That's all I'll say for now about those.

[Bowser330]

Originally Posted by m6beast

When you turn the car off and lock the car

Thank you.

Also I'm glad you're educating ppl about the BMS tune adaptation process because I feel that is what a lot of customers fail to understand.

They switch maps and allow zero time for adaptation before they go measuring the power, either by racing or by dyno...then they complain about drivability, smoothness, power etc.

[m6beast]

Originally Posted by jc05e46m3

Bro, M ARMY has done more testing than you can imagine. We have been running these cars for months here on JB4s and have worked with Terry as well. EAS has as well. It's the turbos that are the limiting factor for top-end power. You will gain a few ponies with the 109 and maybe a couple ponies with the catless DPs. The biggest increase you will see will be wTQ with the DPS and exhaust. I bet the intake is almost negligible as well, but not something that has been tested yet. You WILL NOT see over 600whp on stock turbos. It's just not happening. Just trying to curb your expectations since you're new to the S55 game.

I might be new to the s55 but I'm not new to BMWs and testing with piggy backs and product development. tell me with all the intakes out there for the M5/M6 is it possible to knock off .5 sec off 60-130 mph and .5 sec off and gain 4-5 mph in the 1/4 mile just off an intake?
That's real data. And my custom intake has proven it in every test. No worries man I knew I made a mistake of telling what I feel the car will gain with fuel an adaptation. I speak from experience and how a car feels and testing. So from now on I'll just bring the dynos to back it up.
It's all good I've been down that road before with my M6 and here I am first M6 to be in the 10's. All that came from testing and product development so I'm here giving back to you guys my feed back ect.

[Richy Rich]

Thanks. Was just making sure I wasn't missing out on map 8, I thought it was a meth map but wanted to verify. I daily map 7 with 100.

[jc05e46m3]

Originally Posted by m6beast

I might be new to the s55 but I'm not new to BMWs and testing with piggy backs and product development. tell me with all the intakes out there for the M5/M6 is it possible to knock off .5 sec off 60-130 mph and .5 sec off and gain 4-5 mph in the 1/4 mile just off an intake?
That's real data. And my custom intake has proven it in every test. No worries man I knew I made a mistake of telling what I feel the car will gain with fuel an adaptation. I speak from experience and how a car feels and testing. So from now on I'll just bring the dynos to back it up.
It's all good I've been down that road before with my M6 and here I am first M6 to be in the 10's. All that came from testing and product development so I'm here giving back to you guys my feed back ect.

The S63Tu is a completely different animal. You are mistaken. We will be here waiting for your dyno sheets. You should ask Terry himself- he will tell you the exact same thing. You're in denial ATM, but that's completely fine. You're feeling and assuming the exact same things that all of us here felt months ago when doing the BETA testing. I wish you the best.

[jc05e46m3]

Originally Posted by Richy Rich

Thanks. Was just making sure I wasn't missing out on map 8, I thought it was a meth map but wanted to verify. I daily map 7 with 100.

Honestly, that's the best combo IMO right now. 109 helps, but for the price of 109 vs. 100, 100 is a better bargain for similar performance. Be safe out there!