[classyfast]

Originally Posted by stefan

This is what blows my mind. An M car comes with M exhaust. Generally it sounds somewhere between ok and garbage. Then you need to drop 4+K on an M Performance exhaust for your M car to fix it.

I know unreal right?

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Agreed - add to the fact that most of the dealers I’ve had the misfortune of utilizing don’t share any level of passion for excellence...well, someone should be able to understand why I wouldn’t be handing over my new $70k car so that Bill and Buddy can screw the pooch with it.

Then don’t hand over your car post delivery. Hand over a car that isn’t yours yet to the port. It isn’t factory installed, get over it people. Move on.

[classyfast]

Originally Posted by akkando

Holy shit, it comes with the fucking full S55 engine that's probably making WAY fucking more than 40 hp over the N55 and includes all the super bullet proof cooling and revs higher. Not happy with it? Throw a cheap ass tune on it, you KNOW it can handle it because the power it makes STOCK on the f80 and all the cooling is already there, low risk.

Why doesn't the Competition come with all these parts standard? Partially because they wanted to keep selling the base N55 car as the cheap version but because they can't do that and they want to still want to hit a price point they have to make some things options. Also it makes good business sense so they can make a CS or CSL or whatever and factory install parts and whatever else. They'll probably give that a color you can't get on other M2s like estoril blue because they have it already in the paint shop.

You don't think the Competition is a good value? Get a Camaro, it's a great value, or a depreciated e90 M3 with parts already installed, they will never make another NA V8, probably be able to sell it for what you paid for it or more 5 years from now.

Good point also, I'm not arguing for anything else but at least the damn mperf exhaust!! That should be standard on the comp, no doubt!!

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Agreed - add to the fact that most of the dealers I've had the misfortune of utilizing don't share any level of passion for excellence...well, someone should be able to understand why I wouldn't be handing over my new $70k car so that Bill and Buddy can screw the pooch with it.

You see, because it's a BMW dealer or port; people believe that they're anointed by God himself and are incapable of making mistakes..

I personally know dealership techs (Honda); some of them could barely read or write; but they're ASE certified. That's all you need to work at a dealership.

I spent over an hour at a very popular dealer in NJ because the "techs" was trying to convince me that my 235 had a LSD factory installed already and I wasting my time trying to order a MP version.. These are the folks we entrust our vehicle with.. :roll-eyes:

I am not getting the carbon fiber roof regardless. I am just spitballing ideas on the ambiguous installation procedure based on sheer curiosity.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Then don’t hand over your car post delivery. Hand over a car that isn’t yours yet to the port. It isn’t factory installed, get over it people. Move on.

This.
Get the mods installed at the port, then drive and inspect the car before signing anything. Actually, you should be doing this pre-delivery drive+inspection with any car.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Don't fool yourself. That is absolutely fear you're seeing in regards to creaking and paint issues. Your preference means nothing; right now if you want a carbon roof/hood/trunk/fenders on your M2 it isn't coming from the factory that way. If you're too concerned (read: fearful) of complications, just keep the car stock. This is elementary.

Elementary indicates that you understand what fear is - read any definition and there’s references to danger. There’s no danger here.

My preference means something to me. And that’s something BMW is going to have to deal with, aka, I won’t be ordering the roof. Because I have no trust in the dealer installing the roof properly.

Oh, and I have a carbon fiber roof. It’s on my M3. Which came that way from the factory.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Then don’t hand over your car post delivery. Hand over a car that isn’t yours yet to the port. It isn’t factory installed, get over it people. Move on.

Sure, this is (in theory) a better option for us in the US. But not everyone has that option - my perspective is based upon the overal decision by BMW to not install the roof at the factory.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Elementary indicates that you understand what fear is - read any definition and there's references to danger. There's no danger here.

Let me help you with this... The "danger" expressed is the potential rattles and creeks. People are afraid/fearful their new car will be less perfect after it is modified. I'm not suggesting this fear as unwarranted; my point is they need to acknowledge their fear and manage it. The simple workaround is to keep the car stock.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Let me help you with this... The "danger" expressed is the potential rattles and creeks. People are afraid/fearful their new car will be less perfect after it is modified. I'm not suggesting this fear as unwarranted; my point is they need to acknowledge their fear and manage it. The simple workaround is to keep the car stock.

That’s the thing - modifying the car is fun, and the path by which a person can put their own respective twist on how it looks, sound, goes. I love to modify my cars (and bikes) and have done so for many years.

The typical mod doesn’t include a structural component of the vehicle, and also isn’t offered by the manufacturer. Since BMW is offering the roof, and they obviously know how to put one on, I would simply rather the factory workers and robots do it. Not some random, unfamiliar with the procedure dude at the dealer.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Rupes

Guys, if the CF roof is dealer installed, then this isn't a real M car. Everyone knows real M cars have their CF roof installed at the factory. A janitor friend of mine at BMW Welt found a memo thrown away from Franciscus Van Meel indicating this would be a standard option in 2020 - that's the car to wait for!

(Would hate for this debate to end with the addition of M mirrors and an S55 engine - it has been such a fun argument over the last 3 years)

Fixed that date for you. I'm Gone til November...

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by Glounk

Some cutting is necessary i guess for the fenders guills

I would assume that the opening is in the carbon fender already from the factory.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Don't fool yourself. That is absolutely fear you're seeing in regards to creaking and paint issues. Your preference means nothing; right now if you want a carbon roof/hood/trunk/fenders on your M2 it isn't coming from the factory that way. If you're too concerned (read: fearful) of complications, just keep the car stock. This is elementary.

You forgot to check your factory badge at the door. ..

[Poochie]

@dmboone25

You have the patience of a high school teacher, bro.. I am ready to punch my phone by all the !!!obvious!!! suggestions. #duh

[arwin]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Let me help you with this... The "danger" expressed is the potential rattles and creeks. People are afraid/fearful their new car will be less perfect after it is modified. I'm not suggesting this fear as unwarranted; my point is they need to acknowledge their fear and manage it. The simple workaround is to keep the car stock.

You guys are both saying the same thing.

You're saying don't change the roof if you're worried about dealer install. He's saying he would prefer the roof to be from the factory, since it's not, he's not getting the roof

same conclusion!

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Poochie

@dmboone25

You have the patience of a high school teacher, bro.. I am ready to punch my phone by all the !!!obvious!!! suggestions. #duh

I’m ready to say we can agree to disagree - I guess I’m just in the minority here, and I hope for the record that I’m wrong, but my confidence in BMW getting this “right” is not very high.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

I'd like to update the record with a reminder that in addition to having your M Performance modifications installed at the port or dealer; you also have the option to have these parts installed at your third-party shop of choice. Surely there is someplace, somewhere that you feel is competent.
Remember, we're talking about a material possession. Try and retain perspective.

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

I'd like to update the record with a reminder that in addition to having your M Performance modifications installed at the port or dealer; you also have the option to have these parts installed at your third-party shop of choice. Surely there is someplace, somewhere that you feel is competent.
Remember, we're talking about a material possession. Try and retain perspective.

That is true, you could have the CF top installed anywhere you want. However if you want the installation to be covered under warranty, it should be done by a mechanic that is authorized buy BMW to do it.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

That is true, you could have the CF top installed anywhere you want. However if you want the installation to be covered under warranty, it should be mechanic that is authorized buy BMW to do it.

Personally I'd only consider a third party installer that would warranty their work, but point taken.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Personally I'd only consider a third party installer that would warranty their work, but point taken.

@MR

What is the warranty on an M performance installed part that is sold as an after sales
Product and installed by your dealer body shop?

Does that warranty differ if parts are installed at the port.

Agree that if the parts are purchased at the parts department and installed by an outside body shop then they would warranty their workmanship.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Personally I'd only consider a third party installer that would warranty their work, but point taken.

@MR

What is the warranty on an M performance installed part that is sold as an after sales
Product and installed by your dealer body shop?

Does that warranty differ if parts are installed at the port prior to delivery.

Agree that if the parts are purchased at the parts department and installed by an outside body shop then that shop should warranty their workmanship.

[AlpsRider]

Maybe a 3rd party will warranty their workmanship, but good luck 2 or 3 years later if the top springs a leak.

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

@MR

What is the warranty on an M performance installed part that is sold as an after sales
Product and installed by your dealer body shop?

Does that warranty differ if parts are installed at the port prior to delivery.

Agree that if the parts are purchased at the parts department and installed by an outside body shop then that shop should warranty their workmanship.

Of course it does differ! A part that is port installed is listed on the window sticker and invoice so it's included in the manufacturer's 4-year warranty. In other words, it's considered as if it was on the car from the factory. A dealer installed part, on the other hand, has only 2-year warranty just like any part you purchase from your dealer's parts department after delivery.