[Saphirschwarz]

Originally Posted by cntzl

Hood/bonnet fits on the base M2 as well. The part that doesn't fit is the engine cover, which is this guy right here:

I had high hopes for the extra horses coming with that engine cover

[Who?]

One question I do have is whether some of the competition parts will be available from dealers to retrofit to the current m2? Seats, mirrors, bumper

Reason I ask is because bmw offered an official retrofit for the f30 m-sport package and the kit itself had a part number

Would certainly ease the tension and resent from current owners

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by MR.

Guys, sorry but now I am jumping in to chase this witch hunt on the roof.

The M2 roof is not attached like the E46 and it definitely does NOT need the work done like you see in the video in this topic! I think the guys at IND can confirm this. It is a lot easier than shown in that video. I don't see them removing the complete interior to fit a roof.

Before we all start shouting, shall we first wait and see what the final manual says and perhaps the guys at IND or Evolve can share how much work it is to install a roof.

We are running a bit ahead of the game here I am more than happy to document it and then you are more than willing to start shouting at that moment if it is a good idea or not. For now let's wait how impact-full the change is and what kind of work is needed and at what price

MR

+1

By the way, thanks for all the info. Without it everyone would still have a lot of unanswered questions.

[MR.]

Originally Posted by MaxZ8

Is it possible to include all M Performance parts in the leasing rate of the car?
Is it still possible to collect the car in the BMW Welt even if you want the M Performance parts fitted?

Thanks for the nice interview!

Nothing other than currently is already possible.

Originally Posted by Saphirschwarz

I had high hopes for the extra horses coming with that engine cover

Imaginary hp.... Ever heard of that?

Originally Posted by Who?

One question I do have is whether some of the competition parts will be available from dealers to retrofit to the current m2? Seats, mirrors, bumper

Reason I ask is because bmw offered an official retrofit for the f30 m-sport package and the kit itself had a part number

Would certainly ease the tension and resent from current owners

You can try to order the seats, mirrors and bumper using a VIN number of a M2C, but that is about it. It is not being offered as a package.

MR

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by MR.

Guys, sorry but now I am jumping in to chase this witch hunt on the roof.

The M2 roof is not attached like the E46 and it definitely does NOT need the work done like you see in the video in this topic! I think the guys at IND can confirm this. It is a lot easier than shown in that video. I don't see them removing the complete interior to fit a roof.

Before we all start shouting, shall we first wait and see what the final manual says and perhaps the guys at IND or Evolve can share how much work it is to install a roof.

We are running a bit ahead of the game here I am more than happy to document it and then you are more than willing to start shouting at that moment if it is a good idea or not. For now let's wait how impact-full the change is and what kind of work is needed and at what price

MR

Actually I'm not so sure we are ...

The complaints being made here are MORE VALID than complaints that have been responded to .. like M MIRRORS.

The shouting over those mirrors began early and didn't stop .... so it's a good thing that BMW AG are listening !

#M2CSLWITH6MT

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by MR.

Follow press release...437M and 763M is 3.2kg. Discard the other number. 788M is lighter than both 763M and 437M. Exact weight difference between 437M and 788M unknown at this stage.

MR

I am sorry, but I cannot believe the 788M are lighter than the 763M.

It would not make any sense for the M-Performance wheel to be heavier than the base wheel. What would be the point of buying the M-Performance wheel if it where the case?

Further, just looking at the design, I am pretty sure the 788M is heavier than the 437M. The 437M is fairly light to start with.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by MR.

Nope it will not fit and the M3/4 are almost EOL, so don't expect anything new.

MR

Why wouldn't it fit? Don't all F8X share the exact same underpinnings?

[MR.]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Why wouldn't it fit? Don't all F8X share the exact same underpinnings?

No idea, but they said it wouldn't. You can of course try

MR

[stefan]

Originally Posted by classyfast

I see your point, but exhaust and let's say if there were a "mppk" type of software tune for this car, should absolutely come stock with the comp model. Hell the f8x M's should come with the mperf exhaust stock, something to try and fix the exhaust tone! Lol

This is what blows my mind. An M car comes with M exhaust. Generally it sounds somewhere between ok and garbage. Then you need to drop 4+K on an M Performance exhaust for your M car to fix it.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by KristianS

You lot are mad. Do you really think BMW would release the carbon roof in this manner if it was going to cause them no end of problems?

You might be right - however I don’t think BMW could have possibly prepared for this the way they would need to, in order to have the consistency from worldwide dealer installs vs. factory.

How many factories do they have, world wide? Around 30, which includes bike assembly by the way, according to this: https://www.bmwusfactory.com/manufac...bmw-worldwide/ And how many dealers? Thousands...literally. Even if you use the port install argument for the US, you’ve still got a number that dwarfs the factories number.

There’s going to be problems, just do the math from a probability standpoint, ecause you’re introducing so many additional installers into the equation. For a low volume car.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by alscks0414

Not sure if this was covered but is the full front fender carbon fiber with that MP CF slat at the side??

Full carbon fenders, just like the hood and trunk.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

You might be right - however I don't think BMW could have possibly prepared for this the way they would need to, in order to have the consistency from worldwide dealer installs vs. factory.

How many factories do they have, world wide? Around 30, which includes bike assembly by the way, according to this: https://www.bmwusfactory.com/manufac...bmw-worldwide/ And how many dealers? Thousands...literally. Even if you use the port install argument for the US, you've still got a number that dwarfs the factories number.

There's going to be problems, just do the math from a probability standpoint, ecause you're introducing so many additional installers into the equation. For a low volume car.

This is really simple... The workaround is to leave the car completely stock.

The fear people seem to have over modifying their car is quite amusing. IT IS JUST A CAR. Imagine the stress these people would experience if their kid needed surgery?

[Glounk]

Ok, CF roof on the list for my M2 ( i have sunroof so i hope no extra cost to add what ever they would add that non sunroof M2 have already)
BTW here, BMW body construction workers are exceptional, happy i am
I’d add the fender with a couple of vented fender liners ;º)

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

This is really simple... The workaround is to leave the car completely stock.

The fear people seem to have over modifying their car is quite amusing. IT IS JUST A CAR. Imagine the stress these people would experience if their kid needed surgery?

It’s not fear - it’s more about being prepared for a potential outcome.

My comments are really around the roof - I’m sure the rest of the parts will be easy enough to install properly.

[Glounk]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

It’s not fear - it’s more about being prepared for a potential outcome.

My comments are really around the roof - I’m sure the rest of the parts will be easy enough to install properly.

Some cutting is necessary i guess for the fenders guills

[Rupes]

Guys, if the CF roof is dealer installed, then this isn't a real M car. Everyone knows real M cars have their CF roof installed at the factory. A janitor friend of mine at BMW Welt found a memo thrown away from Franciscus Van Meel indicating this would be a standard option in 2029 - that's the car to wait for!

(Would hate for this debate to end with the addition of M mirrors and an S55 engine - it has been such a fun argument over the last 3 years)

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Glounk

Some cutting is necessary i guess for the fenders guills

That makes sense - otherwise they wouldn’t be functional.

[Poochie]

The whole "just a car" argument is asinine. Really? I thought it was a spaceship

You guys must be the blessed few to have NEVER had to deal with a shitty body repair; where your frame sounds like crickets getting gang-raped every time you hit a bump. Then the "dealer" telling you that's normal..

I did, I sold it a month late because it was "JUST A CAR."

When you're spending that kind of money on ANYTHING, you're paying for quality and workmanship. Forgive me for being a little concern; I live in the real world..

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Poochie

The whole "just a car" argument is asinine. Really? I thought it was a spaceship

You guys must be the blessed few to have NEVER had to deal with a shitty body repair; where your frame sounds like crickets getting gang-raped every time you hit a bump. Then the "dealer" telling you that's normal..

I did, I sold it a month late because it was "JUST A CAR."

When you're spending that kind of money on ANYTHING, you're paying for quality and workmanship. Forgive me for being a little concern; I live in the real world..

Agreed - add to the fact that most of the dealers I’ve had the misfortune of utilizing don’t share any level of passion for excellence...well, someone should be able to understand why I wouldn’t be handing over my new $70k car so that Bill and Buddy can screw the pooch with it.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by Poochie

The whole "just a car" argument is asinine. Really? I thought it was a spaceship

You guys must be the blessed few to have NEVER had to deal with a shitty body repair; where your frame sounds like crickets getting gang-raped every time you hit a bump. Then the "dealer" telling you that's normal..

I did, I sold it a month late because it was "JUST A CAR."

When you're spending that kind of money on ANYTHING, you're paying for quality and workmanship. Forgive me for being a little concern; I live in the real world..

Again- this is simple. Keep your car stock if you're so frightened by the thought of modifying it.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Again- this is simple. Keep your car stock if you're so frightened by the thought of modifying it.

No one is frightened. We would rather have something as important as the roof installed at the factory. That’s all.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

No one is frightened. We would rather have something as important as the roof installed at the factory. That's all.

Don't fool yourself. That is absolutely fear you're seeing in regards to creaking and paint issues. Your preference means nothing; right now if you want a carbon roof/hood/trunk/fenders on your M2 it isn't coming from the factory that way. If you're too concerned (read: fearful) of complications, just keep the car stock. This is elementary.