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From the standpoint of raw straight line performance, it won't end well. The Plaid put the Taycan Turbo S to sleep. The M5 won't stand a chance. The EVs won the drag race a long time ago. I don't care - still won't buy one.
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same ^
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In the M5, you have been disconnected from the steering and throttle and engine sounds play over the sound system.
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Tesla will make the M5 look like it's standing still.
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I've never liked the design of Tesla cars, but I've always respected what Elon has done to the EV industry. No question the Model S Plaid performance is outstanding and second only to the Remac Nevera.
But I'm still questioning the fit and finish, lack of sound, as well as the lack of real tactile buttons and switches in the Tesla. It would drive me crazy with that new Yoke steering wheel as well. It's just not for me. Not yet.
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I need a car that I can refuel in 45 seconds flat in the middle of nowhere, sorry.
My EV friends brag about some hypothetical "0-60" scenario that would look cool on YouTube, but is illegal on public roads. Meanwhile, on road trips, they lag behind 4-6 hours because they can't find a "supercharger". By the time they finally hobble in on 1% battery, late in the evening and mentally drained from "range anxiety", I've already checked into the hotel, explored the whole town, and had dinner. Then it's storytime about how lucky they feel that they made it at all. By then, I'm usually already asleep. You can guess what happens the next morning. They can't get going until late afternoon, because the hotel only had a trickle charger that got turned off overnight, and some other EV guy was hogging the spot until 10am. After all that, my EV friends just borrow the wife's gasoline minivan for the next trip. I can't blame them. But hey, if you're just getting groceries in town, then EV is awesome. I once saw a Tesla beat a Lamborghini by 0.3 seconds out of the Whole Foods parking lot. I don't think anyone really noticed though. They were all checking out the Lambo. Last edited by BayDriverSF; 01-03-2022 at 12:25 AM.. |
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Maybe the EV car drivers enjoy the adventure. It takes more planning and there are tech things you can occupy yourself with if you are into them, like battery discharge at various speeds, regenerative braking, etc.
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"Horses for courses."
We drive my wife's Model 3 Performance for all our around town and shorter day trip driving. It is fine for normal driving and comfortable. It has been dead reliable for over 2 years and 27,000 miles. At $0.075 per kW hour for charging at home, it is basically equivalent to free gas, plus no scheduled maintenance (oil change, etc.). It also handles quite respectably and will run 11.7 1/4 miles all day. On the other hand, due to some Supercharger mishaps, and a desire to take road trips to obscure places, the Tesla is definitely not our serious road trip car. Our 2021 M5 Comp has already proven its mettle on a 1,500 road trip. Cruising at 70 to 75 MPH, I can easily cover 350 to 400 miles between gas stops (but we usually have to take bathroom breaks more often :-). At those speeds, the Tesla can only go about 200 to 220 miles. The M5 is faster, has a more comfortable interior, more luggage and passenger space AND better highway self-driving capabilities. We are lucky to be able to afford both vehicles. Given that, I would not give up either car and see the value in both. |
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Yeah, the Plaid is going to be faster, if that is what is being asked. The Plaid will destroy the M5 in a sprint race, the M5 will win a marathon or trips beyond 200 miles. For now I'd still get an M5, but huge respect for what Tesla and Elon have done. It is not easy to disrupt such a big industry… |
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But I agree, for longer trips an M5 would be better than a Plaid from a practical purpose. Also electrics are more than just straight line performance. One reason Rimac is taking over Bugatti with Porsche. Link to Laguna Seca and we already know about Pikes Peak. https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...a-seca-record/ Last edited by FCX5; 08-05-2021 at 05:52 AM.. |
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not to mention.. EV's are NOT better for the environment.
the 0-60 is the gimmick |
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Also, the Tesla Plaid and Porsche Taycan are quicker than ICE cars in all acceleration metrics, not just 0-60. EVs are the future and are better for the planet, like it or not. |
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You do realize the Tesla Plaid will out perform the M5 in almost any performance criteria not just 0-60. The handling is also pretty good in that it set the records at Leguna Seca track and won Pikes Peak. What you are saying is ignorance you can correct just by going online…a lot of people with impressive garages are buying Plaid. Not sure about the M5 - which is also an amazing car. The plaid IMHO is another important milestone for EV by Tesla. You have to admire what they are doing, even if it hurts your feelings…
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EV's are much worse from a construction point of view. Battery elements come from the earth. A LOT of new mining is taking place to create the batteries...that mining has environmental destruction issues all of it's own. Plus the Carbon needed to power the mining. Plus the majority of the mining is outside the USA where environmental regulations are a j o k e. Hydrogen would be a much better choice , except the corrupt politicians have created a "battery movement".....for a while...until they tell us it's dirty and create another "Movement" to siphon more $$$$ |
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