[Stormbitch]

My Car - F10 530D 52,000 miles.
Reverse cam, adaptive lights, auto, pro nav, heated seats.

Its been in so many times in the 18 months for

creaking
shudder from engine
now wheels are buckled
rattles
idrive going off

Mechanically - apart from the new gear box going in and not solving the problem its fine. Performance. Nothing touches it.

However - after an accident, my car came back with slide fading in the paint and I need to go to court to make the companies redress it. Plus the wheels are now buckled ( known 2011 fault ) and the engine shudder on idle has not been fixed in 18 months.

In my mind I am wanting rid.

BUT

Maserati Ghibli = Shiiit.

640d = Cannot park it and seats and rattles are reported. Too Big for small country roads.

330d = Road Noise

430d = Road noise too expensive

X = Dont need it

235 = Cheap interior and 1mpg bad on motorways

Boxster = Too noisy engine hum and road noise

Audi - No connected drive - Overpriced - No passion - No driving appeal. Over priced?

Another 530 twin power turbo engine 2013? Hmmm welll - Yes BUT... in 18 months I will loose whatever I paid to change it.. PLUS more because it will be the old shape again.

See poll.

[ezmaass]

I'd get rid of it....

1. It sounds like what you want to do.

2. I'm a pretty firm believer that cars aren't really ever the same after an accident... there will be continued gremlins if the accident was large enough.

Sounds like you also don't like very many other cars. I love the F10, so I'd probably just suggest getting another - the LCI improves a number of components. Otherwise, I love the 6 GC as well, but it's more expensive. MB E-class? Porsche? I'm not sure what tickles your fancy, but there are lots of nice choices out there. I agree you should stay away from the Maserati, though - completely overpriced and will likely fall apart. The Audi A6 is nice, but second to the F10 IMHO... hard to take a step backwards.

Good luck.

[Stormbitch]

Yes the point is another f10..... might be financially a killer as in 18 months the new one will be out no???

[Stormbitch]

PS

E Class - Drives like a cushion on a massive trampoline
Boxster - Amazing but cannot do a journey in it
4 series cheap interior

[Math]

Hearing your comments, I'd defenitely get rid of this car and buy a new f10!
Cars are always a financially loss, as soon as you drive it out the dealership. You know that, but I don't find that a reason not to buy the car you really want.
Are you only going to keep it for 18 months? Probably longer I guess, so yes you loose money on it, but it should make you happy everyday you drive it. Can't put a price on that

[valbmw]

You do want replacement, so I suggest you take the F10 LCI with adding some features you may have missing.

[Stormbitch]

The only reason I am thinking of changing is because.

1. A repairer and insurance company decided to paint the car the wrong colour and wont do anything about it.

See my legal conversation here.

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...89#post4540489

I have to take both the repairer and the insurance company to court to get my F10 perfect again

This feels like I am being bullied into making a large financial transaction.

2. That my car has been experiencing a shuddering in DRIVE when stationery which was partly solved by a new gearbox. This is not resolved.

3. My car is potentially now suffering from a common F10 2011 faulty wheel issue rendering the car vibrating at 70-80 - which BMW are currently claiming is my fault due to "pod hole" damage

4. The car will be out of Manufacturers warranty in a few months, and it needs work

I.E

Warranty - £900
Oil Service - £200
Front brake Pads - £250
Rear brake pads - £250
Discs front and rear due in 6000 miles
New tyres all round just been fitted at - £930

Total expenditure £2500 approx - on a car that isnt the right colour

Cost to change to an LCI - approximately £10,000 £15,000

LCI cost approx £35k - My car is worth around £23500 private.


PS - My seats have been out twice and all my trim three times because it creaks

[Chili Palmer]

Originally Posted by Stormbitch

The only reason I am thinking of changing is because.

1. A repairer and insurance company decided to paint the car the wrong colour and wont do anything about it.

See my legal conversation here.

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...89#post4540489

I have to take both the repairer and the insurance company to court to get my F10 perfect again

This feels like I am being bullied into making a large financial transaction.

2. That my car has been experiencing a shuddering in DRIVE when stationery which was partly solved by a new gearbox. This is not resolved.

3. My car is potentially now suffering from a common F10 2011 faulty wheel issue rendering the car vibrating at 70-80 - which BMW are currently claiming is my fault due to "pod hole" damage

4. The car will be out of Manufacturers warranty in a few months, and it needs work

I.E

Warranty - £900
Oil Service - £200
Front brake Pads - £250
Rear brake pads - £250
Discs front and rear due in 6000 miles
New tyres all round just been fitted at - £930

Total expenditure £2500 approx - on a car that isnt the right colour

Cost to change to an LCI - approximately £10,000 £15,000

LCI cost approx £35k - My car is worth around £23500 private.


PS - My seats have been out twice and all my trim three times because it creaks

Shit like that would never fly here in the States - Are you dealing with your insurance company or the person's insurance that damaged your car? If you have dealt with your insurance company, they should be on your side and try to make things right - that's what you pay them for.

[Stormbitch]

No the third parties... Driving me insane - I will post a pic of the stupid paint job.

[P1]

Get rid of it. Having small issues like that drives me mental. If anything, get another F10. They are a dime a dozen.

[ezmaass]

Again, I'd get rid of the car. Get yourself a new F10 LCI. I hear you regarding "bullied into making a large financial transaction"... but then again, isn't that life? Something always seems to come up when you're not planning for it and forces you to expedite investments and decisions.

In some cases, delaying them can make the situation worse. In your case, this may be one of them. If more issues continue to arise, it'll become that much deeper of an investment (especially out of warranty).

If you like the F10 that much, I'd get another. Would I worry about the new model coming out? No. I bought my 550 about 5 months ago... fully knowing the new model will be out in a few years. I'm also looking at buying an R8, knowing the new model will be debuted likely in the fall. But here's the thing... there's always a new car coming. You may not like the new 5. Plus, even if you do like it, I'm a believer that you wait until model year 2 at a minimum... or buy the first year LCI in BMW's case.

Anyway - looks like your poll is leaning heavily towards getting rid of it and buying a new one. If you do decide to go that route, the silver lining is that you now have some F10 experience and can probably clearly decide what you'd option the second time around!

[The Beast]

Why don't you get rid and buy a six month old demo, might soften the financial blow a little

[Stormbitch]

Wow you guys like to spend my money - along with be very helpful. I appreciate the good responses and pragmatic views.

Pictures under different lights are attached.

My worry is a. A change costs loads. b. what happens if I end up with all these issues again!

I see your thoughts about the new shape... there probably will be very few around - I suppose my thinking is the 5 is the last of the shapes before they change to all these sharper headlights etc - which I hate. Hence changing into something with those fronts would make more sense.

Here are my thoughts so far.

1. 235 only car I really like a lot. but do tons of motorway miles and long distances into London 200 mile days

2. 4 series has a lot of road noise albiet it a fun car. Infact it has more road noise than the 235. on the 18s it is nicer - much nicer.

3. 3 series with a sport pack are still the same price as a decent LCI

4. You cannot beat 5 series seats in any car.

5. 6 series - bad seats

7. CLA - would like one - but no connected drive and no decent sie engines.

In the UK - although we dont need to - we hamper after deisal because of the additional mpg... however my f10 only averages 36mph which is probably the same as a decent sized engine say 428 for example.

[The Beast]

Is it just the wing?

If so get BMW to paint it and then pursue 3rd party as planned.

In terms of engine judder have they checked your engine mounts, seems to be a common problem on F10's?

[Noggie]

Sounds like you want to get rid of it for sure.

What I dont get is why you all think there will be a new 5 out soon.
The f10 has been out for just 3-4 years.
The e60 was from 2002-2010 = 8 years
Looking back at the e39 and e34 they also lasted 7-8 years before being replaced, something that is typical for all BMWs, each generation typically lasts 7-8 years.

I doubt there will be a new 5 out on the market before the end of 2017 at the earliest, probably not before 2018.
I just got my 2012 f11 this month, I was thinking of keeping it for a year or two, then getting a LCI as I personally dont think the new 5 will be out before early 2018.

So I say replace it with an LCI.

[ezmaass]

That paint job is horrendous. I can't believe any professional painted it. A professional, even with the wrong paint codes, would have realized it was wrong. Man.

Just bite the bullet and trade up. You can fix the paint - not a big deal once you get all the legal sorted out... but the mechanical stuff would scare me. It's not worth it. Trading up costs money, yes... but so does keeping this car.

[Stormbitch]

Some amazing help here on this ...

My friend did say...

1. Spray - persue for the costs - then it doesnt matter how long it takes.

How do I know there is a new 5 coming..

1. All the models have new fronts.

2. This http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/5-s...5-series-spied

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/bmw/201...-ar161216.html

Spy shots are out..

Renderings

http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/up...endering-1.jpg

Beaat Thanks

Engine mounts done
Gearbox replaced.
Still shudder only in drive... like a subtle splutter occasional. Tis better after gearbox.

I now also have the faulty wheel issue haha

[Noggie]

The first renderings and spy shots of the i8 came out 4 years ago, and they just started selling it.
i would not be surprised if bmw is working on a new 5, would make sence to do so. I know the car industry is under development pressure, but if the current 5 is replaced in 2016 it only lasted 5 years, which is probably the shortest lived Bmw to date.

A new 7 in 2016 makes more sence as the current one was launched in 2009.

I have my doubts, but you never know, you may be right.

Also the 2 series does not have the new headlight design, and that just came out too.
Dont like the new headlights anyway so to me they can keep the current design for a long time

[Fox530]

Can you describe the shuddering problem you've been experiencing?

[Stormbitch]

Yes when the car is in drive, with the foot on the brake, there is the occassional splutter felt through the seat. Sometimes this manifests into a gentle shaking.

Prior to BMW finding sediment in the gearbox, and replacing it, the car would shake much more noticeably on idle and in gear. The shake sensation goes in sport mode, neutral or reverse

The engine mounts were changed, so was the gearbox. I only wanted BMW to tell me if this was normal or not, yet they are unable to say that at this stage. None of the forum posts I did suggests that this is normal so I am working through the fault to see if it is normal or not.

Now the problem is much better, and only a very slight shudder is noticeable from the drivers seat. When it was at its worst the whole car and passengers would move as would water be displaced in a container or light paper might move on the dash.

When I picked up the car I thought it was characteristic of a 3 ltr and so did nothing.

[Fox530]

Originally Posted by Stormbitch

When I picked up the car I thought it was characteristic of a 3 ltr and so did nothing.

This is where I am right now I think. It's faint... but it's there. Don't really want to get charged by the dealer for telling me everything is fine. I think I was expecting nil shudder at all which I guess is unrealistic for a diesel?

[Stormbitch]

Its off topic so here is the http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=948957 thread i started why not chime in .. or start one