[AS4EX]

I've always wondered this and what, if any, were the reasons behind it. For the price of just downpipes and the secondary cat delete pipes you can practically have a full top of the line catback system from another company.

[paddy335]

Numerous reasons: proven track record, premium product, beautifully made, high quality materials, genuine power output claims, 60 year history, exotic, standard certified products, OEM standards of manufacture, etc.

All this meaning people are happy to pay a hefty premium for their gear.

[thyshallsmite]

same with all exhaust/parts/whatever for a bmw. BMW TAX

[vanondemand]

Same reason why Apple products cost so much compared to similar products

[Dozhdbog]

Just make your own exhaust system out of beer cans and fiberglass, you won't have to pay the BMW tax or pretend you have some sort of high quality third party exhaust that's been extensively tested by professionals who know what they're doing and backed by warranties and guarantees!

[stanlalee]

Their prices are acceptably normal in Europe and the markets they are popular in. America is not their primary market and I'm sure exchange rates never really help European parts pricing. If you haven't noticed there are lots of high priced and high quality brands we no longer get or never got in America because first we didn't get the good cars and now we are flooded by Chinese manufactured and low quality parts that make it impossible to compete. If you want SS your lucky you can get it at all without importing it from Europe.

[Mit_Boost]

Because SuperSprint is comparable to an Akrapovic in terms of quality, performance gains & established reputation in the community. Perfect example, their S54 & S85 headers have proven THE greatest gains.

[blackturbo]

Originally Posted by Mit_Boost

Because SuperSprint is comparable to an Akrapovic in terms of quality, performance gains & established reputation in the community. Perfect example, their S54 & S85 headers have proven THE greatest gains.

[AS4EX]

Ok, I mean it all makes sense now, but it's just "different" (for lack of a better word) to see such a high price in contrast to most of everything else on the market. I could see if we we're in Ferrari's or something and dropping 7 grand on an exhaust would be the norm, but for bmw, audi, etc owners it just seems rather outrageous. Even if you had the money to buy the full catback system, would you? I'm not sure I could justify it when I'd probably be just as happy with a AE system or identical for a eighth of the price.

[stanlalee]

You can get quality, tested, developed American stainless steel exhaust products for significantly less however you have to understand OTHER markets are willing to pay more for quality parts. Go price some quality exhaust, intercoolers and suspension and drivetrain parts in European countries and see if you still think Supersprint prices are out of line. They aren't price to compete in the mainstream US market and are apparently fine with their low volume boutique status here in the North America. They don't care about Model vs pricing. VW catted DP cost over $2000. Even the highest priced and quality reputable american stainless steel DPs using the same HJS cat cost $800 and $1200 respectively (which is still $200-600 more than typical high volume QUALITY american steel reputable DP brands).

We don't get half the brands Europe and Asia gets because they know we won't pay a premium for them in sufficient volume. We often don't get all the technology and performance options on many car models that the rest of world gets because we won't pay $40k for a VW GTI or $50k for a 1 series hatchback but Europe will and does. Its only been about 10 years that we got high performance models AT ALL because of this (look how long it took to get WRX, EVOs, R32s, Golf R/S3, Honda Type Rs, cars the ROW has had for ions...because the assumption was we won't pay a premium for performance). BMW never intended to sell E36 M3 here and so forth and so on.

And even when we were getting a nice small sample from Japan (Greddy, HKS, Blitz, Apexi, Spoon etc) the infusion of cheap Chinese manufactured parts insured it wouldn't be worth their time to import 90% of the stuff they make.

[enrita]

its made in Italy = perfect quality :-) but i agree their prices are crazy....

[F-16 CHIEF]

Originally Posted by Dozhdbog

Just make your own exhaust system out of beer cans and fiberglass, you won't have to pay the BMW tax or pretend you have some sort of high quality third party exhaust that's been extensively tested by professionals who know what they're doing and backed by warranties and guarantees!

That's really not how it works at all. It's all about BMW owners being willing to pay the prices. The testing, history, etc is all hogwash. It's the BMW tax. Period.

There's a 335 exhaust. 1,300 dollars.

http://www.bavauto.com/fland.asp?par...FYxlOgodMg4AMg

And a 2013 Camaro exhaust. 763.00

http://moddiction.com/i-269478.aspx?...FaVxOgodLEcABw

So, for some reason, the 335 exhaust which would have been tested back in 2007-08, is more than one for a new Camaro? I looked up a 70's model Camaro as well. Same thing. 700 dollars. There's more 335's on the road than 70's camaro's so we know it's not supply and demand.

I know this is magnaflow, and not the one mentioned. The point is that manufactures of BMW parts and those who distribute can get away with it because people pay the BMW tax that comes with all parts and labor.

[stanlalee]

Originally Posted by F-16 CHIEF

That's really not how it works at all. It's all about BMW owners being willing to pay the prices. The testing, history, etc is all hogwash. It's the BMW tax. Period.

There's a 335 exhaust. 1,300 dollars.

http://www.bavauto.com/fland.asp?par...FYxlOgodMg4AMg

And a 2013 Camaro exhaust. 763.00

http://moddiction.com/i-269478.aspx?...FaVxOgodLEcABw

So, for some reason, the 335 exhaust which would have been tested back in 2007-08, is more than one for a new Camaro? I looked up a 70's model Camaro as well. Same thing. 700 dollars. There's more 335's on the road than 70's camaro's so we know it's not supply and demand.

I know this is magnaflow, and not the one mentioned. The point is that manufactures of BMW parts and those who distribute can get away with it because people pay the BMW tax that comes with all parts and labor.

Magnaflow will sell Camaro and Mustang exhaust cheaper than a BMW 335i exhaust because they will sell a ZILLION times more Camaro and Mustang exhaust than BMW. Its their core market.

[F-16 CHIEF]

Originally Posted by stanlalee

Magnaflow will sell Camaro and Mustang exhaust cheaper than a BMW 335i exhaust because they will sell a ZILLION times more Camaro and Mustang exhaust than BMW. Its their core market.

You missed what I wrote. It's the same for a 1970's camaro as well. There's very few camaro's from the 70's on the road needing magnaflow exhausts compared to 335's. So, yeah, I'd agree on late model Camaro and Mustang exhausts, but it's not true here.

It's the letters BMW. Again, why would a 1970's exhaust that they'll sell less than 100 of be 600 dollars cheaper than a 335i?

[mike@x-ph.com]

They are great exhausts but overpriced for sure

[olliej]

I agree I often wonder why BMW exhaust cost so much compared to other cars... To me its just pipe. My local muffler guy can do a 3 in for 600, but wont be polished stainless steel or have mandrel bends but its far less than other exhaust. So if the local guy can do a one off exhaust, why cant big guys who mass produce make an affordable exhaust? IJS I say its an insult to BMW owners!

Originally Posted by F-16 CHIEF

That's really not how it works at all. It's all about BMW owners being willing to pay the prices. The testing, history, etc is all hogwash. It's the BMW tax. Period.

There's a 335 exhaust. 1,300 dollars.

http://www.bavauto.com/fland.asp?par...FYxlOgodMg4AMg

And a 2013 Camaro exhaust. 763.00

http://moddiction.com/i-269478.aspx?...FaVxOgodLEcABw

So, for some reason, the 335 exhaust which would have been tested back in 2007-08, is more than one for a new Camaro? I looked up a 70's model Camaro as well. Same thing. 700 dollars. There's more 335's on the road than 70's camaro's so we know it's not supply and demand.

I know this is magnaflow, and not the one mentioned. The point is that manufactures of BMW parts and those who distribute can get away with it because people pay the BMW tax that comes with all parts and labor.

[BOOST3D]

a pipe is a pipe. bmw tax

[GearRex]

M3 exhaust systems are twice the cost of similar systems for the 335i. Things cost as much as people are willing to pay for them.

As you move upmarket, parts get more and more expensive. Brand definitely plays a factor in pricing. Brand aware companies want to maintain tight control on their prices and maintain a careful balance between profits and desireability.

It goes with the territory.

[F-16 CHIEF]

Originally Posted by E93_Rzr

M3 exhaust systems are twice the cost of similar systems for the 335i. Things cost as much as people are willing to pay for them.

As you move upmarket, parts get more and more expensive. Brand definitely plays a factor in pricing. Brand aware companies want to maintain tight control on their prices and maintain a careful balance between profits and desireability.

It goes with the territory.

Exactly. It has 0 to do with testing, company name, etc. It's about what the customer is willing to pay.