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01-20-2014, 05:34 PM | #1 |
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The Bimmerpost review on the M235i has useful info on EPS
http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=936660
The systems seems to have passed this test, anyway. I would assume whatever the M3/M4 have will be at least as good as this, so....well, here is some actual review/data to throw into the mix. (also a bit of a plus for the sound too....which, obviously, is the MOST IMPORTANT THING EVER. ) |
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01-21-2014, 10:12 AM | #5 |
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Steering is a tough thing to tune, and EPS only makes it more-so, especially since it is a technology that is still young and is changing quickly.
I remember when the first E92 M3 press reports came out, some reviewers panned the steering. In fact, I recall some that said it was worse than the E90 3 Series with sport package. Over time it became something of a non-issue, but the point is, we have to be careful reading too much into the M235i reports. As I recall it, M Division employees have said in interviews that they targeted a lot of development effort at the steering of the car. It is very important, after all. Let's hope they got it right. My bet is that they have. |
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01-21-2014, 10:14 AM | #6 |
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Anyone who leaves the throttle on Sport+ on the track, doesn't really know what theyr're talking about... IMO. It's WAY to twitchy and sensitive even on the NA S65. No way it's the right setting on a boosted car.
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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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Surprised at how heavy it is. 3500 lbs? Sheesh, I thought it would be substantially lighter than the 3 series, perhaps somewhere in M4 range given it's a smaller car (3300lbs).
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No doubt this is a good thing. It's still a new area of technology though, so I'm sure it has presented its share of challenges to them (as it has to other BMW engineers, and those at other companies as well). Like I say, I think we will see that they got it right (991 level of steering performance or better). |
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01-21-2014, 11:04 AM | #11 |
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I will remain highly skeptic of the steering until I've driven the new M3, the M235i review didn't do much to lower my concerns. It's obvious the reviewer doesn't find it best in EPS class or overall better than the E9X HPS. It's important to me, it's pretty much the only potential deal breaker left with all the info we have now and I will not let anyone else's opinion decide. It's just to important for the overall enjoyment of the car in daily driving. On the track EPS filtered and effortless feel works fine but it also need to feel alive during my daily commute.
I accept and expect turbo lag, ricer sound and modest high rpm excitement and they are not deal breakers. I like the look enough inside and out. It's pretty much down to steering. Regarding options I'm looking forward to test the MT and the active M suspension before closing my order. Could be tight with a planned end of July delivery if cars don't show up until June for test drives. |
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Still, just thought it might provide some useful info to a forum that is quite full of people guessing (without knowing) that the F80 will either be the greatest car ever or the complete ruination of the M brand. |
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My whole thought about the M235 was that it would be much lighter and tossable than the 3 series. This really doesn't seem to be the case, but then again it's just one reviewer's subjective opinion. |
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I'm going to be fine with the EPS on the M3. 100% sure it will be light years better than the car it's replacing that has EPS in it. So, I have no choice but to be bullish on it.
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01-21-2014, 12:12 PM | #16 |
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The car it replaces has HPS. I'm optimistic but concerned about it and once you have owned a BMW EPS car and found that it's not up to par for your preferences you would be a fool to not be cautious.
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It's really subjective. My EPS 335i replaced my most recent HPS E9X M3, and I don't find fault with the 335i's steering. It's accurate, weighted nicely for the intended mode, and doesn't make me miss HPS. In a blind test 9 out of 10 people wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyway (..assuming the EPS car was in Sport, the tires on both cars were equal, etc.). I'd bet on that! Last edited by Sedan_Clan; 01-21-2014 at 12:27 PM.. |
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Of course it's subjective and it's a subject discussed ad nauseum. If you know you love current available BMW EPS steering as in the F30 you should be able to be highly confident you'll love the F80's steering but if you don't love current BMW EPS offerings caution seems prudent.
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Nope the car it's replacing is a Chevy Sonic (has EPS). I wasn't clear. Watch who you call a fool though.
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Multiple misunderstandings. I didn't mean you were a fool. I meant if you like me have owned a BMW EPS car and found the steering sub standard you(I) would be a fool to not be cautious. Sorry for the misunderstandings, no insult intended it was a way to explain why I'm cautious. I do not like current BMW EPS offerings.
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