[pmheadwired]

The 5 Series M Sport LCI changes to the front and rear of the car are really minimal..

I hope this is the case with the F30, don't care if they change the light clusters or additional equipment just don't want much change to the Grilles or nose.

[ukbeemerboy]

I expect they will add creases in the bonnet to match the F10. Front and rear lights will be changed slightly and LED's will probably feature in the rear lights.

[RobUK]

Originally Posted by ukbeemerboy

... and LED's will probably feature in the rear lights.

And (sadly) I'll bet the LED bulbs will be totally incompatible with the pre-LCI F30

[amaar_malik]

When do the changes take place?

[DazC]

Some time in 2015 potentially.

[pmheadwired]

according to most the f30 lci will be on the MY 2016 cars so changes will appear on cars ordered around Sept 2015 onwards...

I just hope the changes are minimal and are just things like lights and not grilles or m sport bumpers changes

[ukbeemerboy]

Originally Posted by RobUK

And (sadly) I'll bet the LED bulbs will be totally incompatible with the pre-LCI F30

They wouldn't be bulbs, but completely new light units I expect. If they keep the shape the same they would probably be able to be retrofitted.

With the launch if the F30 in 2011, LCI would probably be released in late 2014 for MY2015 cars. It's usually after 3 years of launch of the model.

[pmheadwired]

f30 was released in 2012

[teaston]

What are the differences between pre lci & lci F10's? I'm struggling to see the difference!

[pmheadwired]

not much on the se just lights ans trim on lower bumper.

the m5 and m sport noses have remained the same with just new lights ... as far as i can see anyways.

[MarkG_M5Comp]

I was looking for an F10 originally, the big deal to me was standard Xenons and SatNav - I wonder if this will filter to the F30...

[teaston]

Originally Posted by MarkG335

I was looking for an F10 originally, the big deal to me was standard Xenons and SatNav - I wonder if this will filter to the F30...

I doubt it as the lower spec 3 series is competition for Mondeos, insignias etc as rep mobiles, so BMW want to keeps it's base price as low as possible (and profit as high as possible) to keep it competitive.

The 5 series is only in competion with Audi A5 and Merc E Class really so has to compete on a luxury level.

[MarkG_M5Comp]

Originally Posted by teaston

I doubt it as the lower spec 3 series is competition for Mondeos, insignias etc as rep mobiles, so BMW want to keeps it's base price as low as possible (and profit as high as possible) to keep it competitive.

The 5 series is only in competion with Audi A5 and Merc E Class really so has to compete on a luxury level.

I think that's the point isn't it? A Mondeo Ztec has Nav as standard - for around £20k. Nav is rapidly becoming the air conditioning of the 90's I think.

Of course the 5 competes with Audi A6 rather than A5, which would be the 3GT...? mmm interesting, I guess you can never has a direct comparison for all!

[teaston]

Originally Posted by MarkG335

I think that's the point isn't it? A Mondeo Ztec has Nav as standard - for around £20k. Nav is rapidly becoming the air conditioning of the 90's I think.

Of course the 5 competes with Audi A6 rather than A5, which would be the 3GT...? mmm interesting, I guess you can never has a direct comparison for all!

I mean for company car fleets, they have a limit on how much their car can cost so the reduction in price of not having things like sat nav and xenon could mean they can have a 3 series when otherwise they couldn't.

I meant A6, sorry it was a typo using my phone!

[MarkG_M5Comp]

Originally Posted by teaston

I mean for company car fleets, they have a limit on how much their car can cost so the reduction in price of not having things like sat nav and xenon could mean they can have a 3 series when otherwise they couldn't.

I meant A6, sorry it was a typo using my phone!

Got ya, makes sense.

[teaston]

Originally Posted by MarkG335

Got ya, makes sense.

I know what i'd choose given the choice of a Highly specced Mondeo, or a basic 3 Series! Total no brainer for me!

[NISFAN]

I suspect LED fog lights will also appear on LCI. Seems the rage these days.

[pmheadwired]

the nose is slightly different on the f10 lci, the way the head lights merge with the nose has been updated.

on the m5 and m sport models the front of the car is identical just updated lights

[ukbeemerboy]

Originally Posted by pmheadwired

f30 was released in 2012

In the UK, but it was released in Germany from 2011.

[pmheadwired]

the f20 was released in the uk in 2011 a year before the f30 and is not getting lci until my2015 so assume f30 the year after my2016

[jimboss]

Originally Posted by teaston

I doubt it as the lower spec 3 series is competition for Mondeos, insignias etc as rep mobiles, so BMW want to keeps it's base price as low as possible (and profit as high as possible) to keep it competitive.

The 5 series is only in competion with Audi A5 and Merc E Class really so has to compete on a luxury level.

in similar vein to your 5 series point, the lci spec will need to be pitched against the new C Class and A4…both of which will no doubt have better standard kit than the current F30/F31. BMW will not want to loose sales to either merc or audi on their best selling car.

[teaston]

Originally Posted by jimboss

in similar vein to your 5 series point, the lci spec will need to be pitched against the new C Class and A4both of which will no doubt have better standard kit than the current F30/F31. BMW will not want to loose sales to either merc or audi on their best selling car.

Will they have better spec though?!