The F8x M3/M4 will be held to light against the E30 M3

[conradb]

This car is everything BMW M was originally. Lightweight, high performance, a driver's car. While I may be getting a bit ahead of myself, I would wager that BMW M will not disappoint us in making this a serious driver's car.

What blows my mind even more is how the new M3/M4 are basically supercars now. Lightweight CF all over, great suspension setup, dual clutch option, high output small displacement engine, and even the option of carbon ceramic brakes!

I really can't wait to see what Nurburgring times will be had in this. I suspect massively better performance with the dramatic weight loss, higher power and torque, as well as the massive new brakes.

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by conradb

Lightweight CF all over

Misperception augmented by bogus BMW Marketing Claims. The CF in this car is limited to:

-Roof
-Roof beam
-Driveshaft
-Trunk lid
-(maybe the front strut brace but that's probably an paid option)
-The brakes are a very expensive paid option advised against by anyone who tracks their car.

There is zero carbon fiber monocoque here completely nulling any BMW Marketing comparisons to the i3 or i8.

[swanson]

Originally Posted by conradb

This car is everything BMW M was originally. Lightweight, high performance, a driver's car. While I may be getting a bit ahead of myself, I would wager that BMW M will not disappoint us in making this a serious driver's car.

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[435iaffair]

personally i'm loving the 176lbs weight reduction and increased torque. wrapped in that exterior the car is very desirable to me.