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      08-22-2013, 04:25 PM   #1
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240hp - 228i engine performance in 428i Coupe

On this site it was noted somewhere that the 228i will use the same 240hp engine which is now in the 4 series. I believe I also read here that the 10hp comes from an added software package.

The 428i with the 240hp twin turbo, with 8 speed Sport automatic trans. does the 0-60 in 5.7 sec. The 428i weighs 3470lbs.

In contrast the 230hp - 128i does 0-60 in 6.7 sec. using the 6 speed steptronic auto trans, weighing in at 3285 lbs.

Assuming the 228i will weigh closer to 3285 than to 3470, this ll it is trending positive. In fact, 1 second seems like a huge difference in the heavier car with only a 10 hp difference -- maybe the 8 speed auto trans is a game changer??? For the time being it is comparing apples to oranges, i.e, will have to wait for 2 series specs.

BTW I'd really prefer the M235i but I doubt all - season tires will be available and I'm done with snowtires, so seriously considering 228i.
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BTW I'd really prefer the M235i but I doubt all - season tires will be available and I'm done with snowtires, so seriously considering 228i.
First, you know you can buy tires, right? Something like a Pirelli P7 A/S run under $200/ea for an RFT.

Second, the 8s does help with acceleration, but the additional torque of the N20 over the older N52 of the E82 128i also helps. A manual F30 328i is also a good bit quicker than the manual E90 328i that preceded it.
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      08-22-2013, 04:37 PM   #3
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To Red Bread- actually I did not know that. I was on Tire Rack website trying to hypothetically outfit 135i's , M Coupes, M3's with all seasons and I was not able to get a match, except for an earlier year 135i there was only one choice available. So, I gave up on the idea of all seasons on the m235i. So, thanks.
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Just one Imola M Coupe (although mine was an E36/8) owner trying to help out another. Our X1 has 224/45/18 P7 A/S's. They're not great traction wise, but they do ride well. I'll consider non RFT Michelin Pilot A/S 3's as a replacement though. We ran non RFT Michelins on our 135i and the ride was much better than the stock Bridgestones.
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Well if we went manual vs manual, there is a big difference in the engine.

The N52 rated at 230 hp and 200 torque. Dynos have shown 200 hp and 170 torque

The N20 rated at 240 hp and dynos have shown if is making around there.

BMW recently had been super under rating their engines.

Not only that, but the newer engine is much torquier

Automatic vs automatic, the new ZF 8 speed shifts lightning fast compared to the GM 6 that is in my 128i, so no surprise there.

Also, I believe the 2014 autos now all have launch control, something that the previous car did not
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On this site it was noted somewhere that the 228i will use the same 240hp engine which is now in the 4 series. I believe I also read here that the 10hp comes from an added software package.

The 428i with the 240hp twin turbo, with 8 speed Sport automatic trans. does the 0-60 in 5.7 sec. The 428i weighs 3470lbs.

In contrast the 230hp - 128i does 0-60 in 6.7 sec. using the 6 speed steptronic auto trans, weighing in at 3285 lbs.

Assuming the 228i will weigh closer to 3285 than to 3470, this ll it is trending positive. In fact, 1 second seems like a huge difference in the heavier car with only a 10 hp difference -- maybe the 8 speed auto trans is a game changer??? For the time being it is comparing apples to oranges, i.e, will have to wait for 2 series specs.

BTW I'd really prefer the M235i but I doubt all - season tires will be available and I'm done with snowtires, so seriously considering 228i.
There is much more than that. First the 240hp rating is underrated this engine is giving about the same WHP as cadillac 2.0T which is rated at 272hp. The ZF8 is making a huge difference. I do beleive that the 228i will be lighter than the 128i. IL tested the 328i ZF8 they came with a 0-60 in 5.4 sec and 13.8 in the 1/4 of mile. the 228i could be a mid 13's car in my opinion. Don`t get fool by BMW marketing the N20 is a single turbo engine a ''twin power turbo''. If it wasn't of the sound the 228i would be one of a hell of a car.
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i simply do not understand the hype behind these 8 speed ZF automatic gearboxes.

i have driven many of them now...on BMWs and on Audis and find them utterly irritating. They are always switching gears in automatic mode as they never seem to be in the right gear or stable in a gear, and in manual mode it is nowhere near as engaging as a dual clutch gearbox.

It's a real cop out to have a car like this and run an autobox, IMO.....it needs a better gearbox like a manual or a dual clutch, IMO.

the ZF 8 speed is like the halfway between a regular old automatic box and a dual clutch; so it's a comprimise.
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i simply do not understand the hype behind these 8 speed ZF automatic gearboxes.

i have driven many of them now...on BMWs and on Audis and find them utterly irritating. They are always switching gears in automatic mode as they never seem to be in the right gear or stable in a gear, and in manual mode it is nowhere near as engaging as a dual clutch gearbox.
I have to agree somewhat... When I first got the F30 I was coming off of my 2011 A3 which was a 6 speed.. and man that thing could GO... I always drove it in manual... When I got the F30 with the 8 speed I was disappointed at first because it seemed like the two extra gears were just getting in the way.. It took me a while to get used to it and to get the feel for getting the most power out of it.... but having had it now for almost a year I really like it... I cant say its better than the 6 speed, but I guess Ive just gotten used to it... I love the F30, but Im thinking about getting the 228i when it gets here... same engine (which I like) and a lighter, smaller car... The 328i is a little bigger than I wanted, but I really loved the way it drove... I hope the 228i drives the same... I drove a 128i and didnt like it one bit..
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I have to agree somewhat... When I first got the F30 I was coming off of my 2011 A3 which was a 6 speed.. and man that thing could GO... I always drove it in manual... When I got the F30 with the 8 speed I was disappointed at first because it seemed like the two extra gears were just getting in the way.. It took me a while to get used to it and to get the feel for getting the most power out of it.... but having had it now for almost a year I really like it... I cant say its better than the 6 speed, but I guess Ive just gotten used to it... I love the F30, but Im thinking about getting the 228i when it gets here... same engine (which I like) and a lighter, smaller car... The 328i is a little bigger than I wanted, but I really loved the way it drove... I hope the 228i drives the same... I drove a 128i and didnt like it one bit..
interesting perspective! i can definitely see how someone could get used to it. Do you drive it in manual mode? or in automatic?

in my A3, i have a DSG and i'm 99% of the time in manual mode....unless i'm in heavy traffic where i pop it into D. Otherwise i like to be in control of the gears. In the ZF 8 speed, i got confused in manual mode as there are just so many gears to choose from! ha. i have to say that it's not as smooth in manual mode as any good dual clutch gearbox, but it does feel efficient and pretty decent for a torque converted system i have to say.

the ZF gearbox is being used in all sorts of 'enthusiastic' applications....from the new Jaguar F-Type to the Audi S6/S7 to the F30 BMWs, M135i, etc...
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After test driving the 3 Series a few times and a couple of 6 series Gran Coupe, one of them being a 650i with M Sport. I have to say the new 8spd ZF's are just as good as VW/Audi's DSG, which is saying a lot!

I'll be getting my M235i with the ZF 8spd. It would be nice to get the 7spd DCT as an option, but it sounds like they are being reserved for the ///M models.
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interesting perspective! i can definitely see how someone could get used to it. Do you drive it in manual mode? or in automatic?

in my A3, i have a DSG and i'm 99% of the time in manual mode....unless i'm in heavy traffic where i pop it into D. Otherwise i like to be in control of the gears. In the ZF 8 speed, i got confused in manual mode as there are just so many gears to choose from! ha. i have to say that it's not as smooth in manual mode as any good dual clutch gearbox, but it does feel efficient and pretty decent for a torque converted system i have to say.

the ZF gearbox is being used in all sorts of 'enthusiastic' applications....from the new Jaguar F-Type to the Audi S6/S7 to the F30 BMWs, M135i, etc...
Yea, I drive mine in manual most of the time.. I like to be in control of the gears too like you said... I usually take a nice canyon road to work in the morning so its easy to have a little fun with it.. I dont really feel that its any less smooth than the A3 as far as shifting gears goes... but it could just be cuz im so used to it now.. I also have fallen in love with the rear wheel drive.. I always had front wheel drive with my VW/Audis (Beetle, Beetle Conv, TT & A3), and I liked it because they are def easy to control in bad weather.. but man, making the rear of the F30 slide out coming out of a corner is so much fun! I dont miss my A3 one bit! All in all Im happy with this car... My only wish is that it was just a bit smaller (but thats just personal preference) and that they hadnt gone back to the steel chassis on these F30s..

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5.4 for the 228i 0-60 !!!
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