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      08-13-2007, 01:33 PM   #1
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Maybe this can get sickied.

But post helmet suggestions. Also if you can post a pic of the helmet and price. Also how it fits and such.

Basically I need a helmet and not sure what to get.
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Arai GP-5. I love mine.
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Arai GP-5. I love mine.
That's a $900 helmet.

Also try and post up pics and how much you payed to help users out.
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Arai GP-5. I love mine.
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I have the GP-5W with larger eye port. $799 at saferacer.com. Love it.
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Bell M2..or M2 Pro (lighter and more expensive). Why? Full faced...good production...but wide eye outlet. Not too expensive. I have a pyrotect helmet currently...but I dont like it as much. I will be switching back to a Bell M2 Pro as soon as I can afford it.
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Helmets are like shoes...each one fits a particular person in a different way. The only way to decide and make a proper decision it to try on many different offerings, whether in a retail store, or online order with expensive return shipping if they don't fit. What is your intended purpose for the helmet? How long will you be driving in each session and to what level? Most beginners and auto X'rs will be fine with entry level helmets, some as inexpensive as $150 on sale. With these entry level helmets, features are reduced and weight is increased. These "extras" are welcomed if spending a lot of time in the car and help delay fatigue. Areo features are a waste of money in a closed cockpit car, so forget the areo chin spoilers and head venturies. As mentioned, a wide eyeport is very helpful in seeing around your car and what is by your side when driving sedans. I really does make a big difference in peripheral vision! Pyrotect is a good place to start, but they don't fit the shape of my head as well as the Arai, which fits my head better than the Bell. I was set on purchasing a Bell Vortex and after trying it on back to back with the Arai, there was no question which was significantly more comfortable on my head. Go to a reputable race shop in your area for a recommendation and to test fit as many helmets in your size as possible. good luck on your search.
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i bought an snell rated m2000 helmet for 120$ from the local harley dealer and ripped the emblem off, i dont know of any tracks that require a higher rated helmet
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Motorcycle and car helmets are different...The former are designed to take one impact really well, the latter are meant to take a number of impacts (think head bouncing around inside a car vs hitting the pavement).

I am very happy with the Bell M2...not too expensive and not too heavy. Just remember the old saying..."If you have a $10 head, get a $10 helmet."
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Motorcycle and car helmets are different...The former are designed to take one impact really well, the latter are meant to take a number of impacts (think head bouncing around inside a car vs hitting the pavement).
1: your full of shit

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Snell SA2000 - M2000: Our customerss have asked what the difference is between a Snell SA2000 and M2000 certification for a helmet. All Snell tests for these specifications include multiple impact tests at -20 degrees, 78 degrees (dry and wet) and 120 degrees. The Snell M2000 specification is the base for the specs. The SA2000 - used primarily for auto racing - adds not only the thicker shield, but also the use of flame retardant paint, trim, retention strap and interior. The Snell SA2000 helmet also meets an additional rollbar impact test.


2: if your wearing the helmet to protect yourself instead of because its required, you screwed up pretty bad, wearing one of these helmets in a 335 w/ how many airbags it has is probably going to cause MORE injury then it is good
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Ah..he is correct on the difference of helmet...SA vs. M
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Good question, is a helmet in a car with so many airbags a good idea even?
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Ah..he is correct on the difference of helmet...SA vs. M
really lets try this again

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Snell SA2000 - M2000: Our customerss have asked what the difference is between a Snell SA2000 and M2000 certification for a helmet. All Snell tests for these specifications include multiple impact tests at -20 degrees, 78 degrees (dry and wet) and 120 degrees. The Snell M2000 specification is the base for the specs. The SA2000 - used primarily for auto racing - adds not only the thicker shield, but also the use of flame retardant paint, trim, retention strap and interior. The Snell SA2000 helmet also meets an additional rollbar impact test.
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Good question, is a helmet in a car with so many airbags a good idea even?
if your idea of a good idea is an increased risk of whiplash, the chance of the helmet being ripped off your face and damaging it (your face), a broken neck, and the possibility of a broken visor

then sure!
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if your idea of a good idea is an increased risk of whiplash, the chance of the helmet being ripped off your face and damaging it (your face), a broken neck, and the possibility of a broken visor
On this note, I've read that open face helmets are better for cars with airbags. Any thoughts?
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On this note, I've read that open face helmets are better for cars with airbags. Any thoughts?
yes, but most tracks/track groups still require full faced helmets because they are not foward thinking enough
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1: your full of shit

#1, there is no reason to be a jerk

#2, there is less reason to be a jerk when you are flat wrong. I can refer you to the testing standards for Snell ratings (see http://www.smf.org) to validate my assertions:

For SA2000 (car) rating: "There is no restriction regarding test anvil selection. The impact
energies for each test impact are as follows:
a. There shall be two impacts at each site tested against the fl at
anvil. For the fi rst impact, the impact energy shall be 150 J for standard
level testing and 140 J for deviation level testing. For the second impact,
the impact energy shall be 110 J for all standard level testing and 105
J for all deviation level testing. Given an ideal frictionless mechanical
test facility, the standard impact energies represent 3.0+ meter and 2.2+
meter drops respectively of a 5 kg headform and supporting assembly.
b. There shall be two impacts at each site tested against the hemispherical
anvil. For the fi rst impact, the impact energy shall be 150 J for
all standard level testing and 140 J for all deviation level testing. For the
second impact, the impact energy shall be 110 J for all standard level
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testing and 105 J for all deviation level testing. Given an ideal frictionless
mechanical test facility, the standard impact energies represent 3.0+
meter and 2.2+ meter drops respectively of a 5 kg headform and supporting
assembly.
c. There shall be three impacts at each site tested against the roll
bar anvil. Sites selected for roll bar anvil impacts must lie behind the
fore plane and above the test line of the helmet. For the fi rst impact
the impact energy shall be 150 J for all standard level testing and 140 J
for all deviation level testing. For the second impact, the impact energy
shall be 120 J for all standard level testing and 115 J for all deviation
level testing. For the third impact, the impact energy shall be 100 J for
all standard level testing and 95 J for all deviation level testing. Given
an ideal frictionless mechanical test facility, the standard impact energies
represent 3.0+, 2.4+ and 2.0+ meter drops of a 5 kg headform and
supporting assembly.
d. There shall be one impact at each site tested against the edge
anvil. For each impact against the edge anvil, the impact energy shall
be 150 J for all standard level testing and 140 J for all deviation level
testing. Given an ideal frictionless mechanical test facility, the standard
impact energy represents a 3.0+ meter drop of a 5 kg headform
and supporting assembly.
e. If the impact energy for any test impact exceeds the energy specifi
ed by more than 3%, that impact shall be declared invalid.
Please Note: The impacts described above are based on specifi c
energies and not prescribed drop heights. To attain the proper energy
for an impact, it is likely that the drop height will need to be adjusted
to compensate for frictions inherent in most mechanical helmet testing
systems. Height adjustments for these frictions should not account for
more than 10% of the total drop height. Also, the 3% margin allowed
for impact energy reflects the uncertainties expected even for well maintained
drop equipment. It is expected that drop heights will always be
selected to produce, as closely as possible, the precise impact energy
called out in the standards."

For M2005 (motorcycle) helmets: "There is no restriction regarding test anvil selection. The impact
energies for each test impact are as follows:
a. There shall be two impacts at each site tested against the fl at anvil.
For the first impact, the impact energy shall be 150 J for all standard
level testing and 140 J for all deviation level testing. For the second impact,
the impact energy shall be 110 J for all standard level testing and
105 J for all deviation level testing. Given an ideal frictionless mechanical
test facility, the standard impact energies represent 3.0+ meter and
2.2+ meter drops of a 5 kg headform and supporting assembly.
b. There shall be two impacts at each site tested against the hemispherical
anvil. For the first impact, the impact energy shall be 150 J for
all standard level testing and 140 J for all deviation level testing. For the
second impact, the impact energy shall be 110 J for all standard level
testing and 105 J for all deviation level testing. Given an ideal frictionless
mechanical test facility, the standard impact energies represent 3.0+ meter
and 2.2+ meter drops of a 5 kg headform and supporting assembly.
c. There shall be one impact at each site tested against the edge
anvil. For each impact against the edge anvil, the impact energy shall
be 150 J for all standard level testing and 140 J for all deviation level
testing. Given an ideal frictionless mechanical test facility, this standard
impact energy represents a 3.0+ meter drop of a 5 kg headform
and supporting assembly.
d. If the impact energy for any test impact exceeds the energy specifi
ed by more than 3%, that impact shall be declared invalid."


Can YOU point to anything that suggests that I am full of shit? This is important stuff...people's safety is involved with this discussion. So if I am wrong about something please present some objective proof and I will correct my statement. I certainly don't want misinformation to place a fellow enthusiast's life in jeopardy. Do you?
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Can YOU point to anything that suggests that I am full of shit? This is important stuff...people's safety is involved with this discussion. So if I am wrong about something please present some objective proof and I will correct my statement. I certainly don't want misinformation to place a fellow enthusiast's life in jeopardy. Do you?
yea actually, you yourself just proved yout full of shit

you said motorcycle helmets are designed to only take one strong impact, and as the snell rating guidelines i quoted in summary, and you quoted in specifics, BOTH show that they are BOTH rated to take several impacts, infact they are rated for identical sets of impacts

the only diffrence as indicated by the summary i quoted and the specifics is that there is an added roll bar test with the SA helmets and the summary i quoted stated some fire retardant specs with the SA helmet



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Motorcycle and car helmets are different...The former are designed to take one impact really well, the latter are meant to take a number of impacts (think head bouncing around inside a car vs hitting the pavement).


so your claim that motorcycle helmets are only designed to take one impact was indeed 100% bullshit

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yea actually, you yourself just proved yout full of shit

you said motorcycle helmets are designed to only take one strong impact, and as the snell rating guidelines i quoted in summary, and you quoted in specifics, BOTH show that they are BOTH rated to take several impacts, infact they are rated for identical sets of impacts

the only diffrence as indicated by the summary i quoted and the specifics is that there is an added roll bar test with the SA helmets and the summary i quoted stated some fire retardant specs with the SA helmet







so your claim that motorcycle helmets are only designed to take one impact was indeed 100% bullshit

have a nice day
I think the issue is your out of the blue comment about that it is bullcrap. SA and M helmets are made differently...as the potential for impacts from within a car...and on a motorcycle are different. I think you need to cool your jets a tad. You can disagree with someone without coming off nasty.
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yea actually, you yourself just proved yout full of shit

you said motorcycle helmets are designed to only take one strong impact, and as the snell rating guidelines i quoted in summary, and you quoted in specifics, BOTH show that they are BOTH rated to take several impacts, infact they are rated for identical sets of impacts

the only diffrence as indicated by the summary i quoted and the specifics is that there is an added roll bar test with the SA helmets and the summary i quoted stated some fire retardant specs with the SA helmet







so your claim that motorcycle helmets are only designed to take one impact was indeed 100% bullshit

have a nice day
Seriously...get over yourself. First, I did not say motorcycle helmets are designed to take ONLY one impact. Re-read my original post. Then look at the specs again...ALL helmets are expected to take the first hit well. The standard for the second hit is lower. Car helmets are intended to take more impacts (as shown by the additional 3 hits on the rollbar test). I did not know until researching this that car helmets also have additional fire requirements.

All of that suggests that people buying a helmet for use in a car should get a car helmet.
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I think the issue is your out of the blue comment about that it is bullcrap. SA and M helmets are made differently...as the potential for impacts from within a car...and on a motorcycle are different. I think you need to cool your jets a tad. You can disagree with someone without coming off nasty.
it wasnt out of the blue, he tried to say that my helmet was not fit for use in a car, and it WAS a bullshit comment, what i quoted AND what he quoted proves that
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Seriously...get over yourself. First, I did not say motorcycle helmets are designed to take ONLY one impact. Re-read my original post. Then look at the specs again...ALL helmets are expected to take the first hit well. The standard for the second hit is lower. Car helmets are intended to take more impacts (as shown by the additional 3 hits on the rollbar test). I did not know until researching this that car helmets also have additional fire requirements.

All of that suggests that people buying a helmet for use in a car should get a car helmet.
they are exactly the same with the exception of being tested against a rollbar (which most m200 helmets would surely pass) they do NOT test all three sets of impacts on the same helmet

the standard is NOT lower

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Motorcycle and car helmets are different...The former are designed to take one impact really well, the latter are meant to take a number of impacts (think head bouncing around inside a car vs hitting the pavement).
its clearly wrong, they have the same impact testing, its just as good for car use as the SA rated ones end of story
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