[D_o_S]

Hi,

I'm looking for a brake pad that is better than stock in every aspect, except dust, which I don't care about... the only thing I have found is Endless MX72.

Others:
EBC - delamination issues
Hawk - squeal
Ferodo - DS2500 only available as fronts
Pagid - same as above
Cool carbon - don't last long, poor initial bite...

Any ideas welcome.

[NiVeDh]

StopTech Street Performance is another to consider.

[George@V]

Porterfield R4-S should be in the discussion.

Jurid may also have a suitable compound.

[tofu-]

i'll be keeping an eye on this thread too.

seems there is no pad that is all around better than oem, and i can't take guys who recommend "cool carbon" pads seriously.

[sofresh]

Originally Posted by NiVeDh

StopTech Street Performance is another to consider.

these are the ones I use and have no complaints!

[D_o_S]

Originally Posted by George@V

Porterfield R4-S should be in the discussion.

Jurid may also have a suitable compound.

Can you link me? I can't find anything applicable to 335i on the porterfield site, or Jurid.

Originally Posted by NiVeDh

StopTech Street Performance is another to consider.

Same as above - please, link me. The only thing that came up was BBK.

[SpeedCC]

Originally Posted by sofresh

these are the ones I use and have no complaints!

+1

[D_o_S]

Found the Stoptechs at turner... seem to have decent reviews, though seem pretty much like OEM (some claim better initial bite, some claim worse on m3post, so I'm calling it a draw). For the money though...

What about Carbotech? AX6 or XP8?

[e90pilot]

Harold at HP Autowerks sells them too. I've used these before. To me they felt exactly like the stock pads. Dust and noise was about the same as well. Heat capacity is better for sure. I took these on the track and while they do fade eventually the hold out for a while. Even with 2 track days my fronts lasted 80,000 mi. For the price, this is the best OE replacement.

[NiVeDh]

Originally Posted by D_o_S

Can you link me? I can't find anything applicable to 335i on the porterfield site, or Jurid.



Same as above - please, link me. The only thing that came up was BBK.

You can get them from AutoAnything. I got mine on eBay.

[kevin @ eas]

Many customers have easily seen over 40K+ plus mileage with Cool Carbon pads when used as aggressive street performance pads.

With respect to initial bite, the OE pads are grabby and provide about 20% of full braking immediately and not very linear above that more like a 2 or 3 speed fan.

The CC pads are very linear and predictable from 0-20% and all the way to ABS- the stopping power is actual better but without the OE grabby sensation and better release - more like a continuously variable fan.

We also offer Endless which provides a great pad but at a different price point.

We offer many alternatives in pad selection including Ferodo, Stoptech,
Porterfield, Mintex and Hawk but prefer CC pads on our own cars - please PM
or call and we would be happy to provide further assistance.

[D_o_S]

Originally Posted by kevin @ eas

Many customers have easily seen over 40K+ plus mileage with Cool Carbon pads when used as aggressive street performance pads.

With respect to initial bite, the OE pads are grabby and provide about 20% of full braking immediately and not very linear above that more like a 2 or 3 speed fan.

The CC pads are very linear and predictable from 0-20% and all the way to ABS- the stopping power is actual better but without the OE grabby sensation and better release - more like a continuously variable fan.

We also offer Endless which provides a great pad but at a different price point.

We offer many alternatives in pad selection including Ferodo, Stoptech,
Porterfield, Mintex and Hawk but prefer CC pads on our own cars - please PM
or call and we would be happy to provide further assistance.

Thanks, but for street use, I like the initial bite... you never know what the guy infront of you/next to you is going to do, so the immediate "abrupt" responsiveness comes in handy

After initial bite though I feel they're quite linear TBH...

[David1]

Originally Posted by D_o_S

Thanks, but for street use, I like the initial bite... you never know what the guy infront of you/next to you is going to do, so the immediate "abrupt" responsiveness comes in handy

After initial bite though I feel they're quite linear TBH...

The more miles I get on the CCpads the less initial bite they seem to have but in the middle of the braking stroke they are ok until they get really hot.

[stratplaya06]

+1 for porterfield r4-s
They stop great cold and get better with heat. The first stop is always a bit noisy but it's not an annoying squeal more just like a tone that they make. My mom can use them and not have any issues, and then I can beat the hell out of it at a track or autocross. They're great pads.

[kevin @ eas]

If you like that initial feel than the OE is likely your best bet- Good initial bite should be controllable and with ability to modulate rather than and on off switch and also release easily. The BMW OE pads are the only ones we are aware of that offer the exact characteristics that you describe. A number of choices are much more linear and easier to modulate than the OE however

The CC pads do offer good cold bite (without being grabby) and a higher friction level cold than OE- OE approx 0.37 vs CC approx 0.41 cold friction- the CC pads will increase to approx. 0.51 when fully warmed up which makes them an excellent choice all around,

If you are looking for the boat anchor bite but also with modulation we have other options to select from.

All choices have +'s and -'s- it's all about what you prefer and also are willing to put up with e.g. dust, noise, rotor wear etc.

[nitehawk]

Originally Posted by D_o_S

Hi,

I'm looking for a brake pad that is better than stock in every aspect, except dust, which I don't care about... the only thing I have found is Endless MX72.

Others:
EBC - delamination issues
Hawk - squeal
Ferodo - DS2500 only available as fronts
Pagid - same as above
Cool carbon - don't last long, poor initial bite...

Any ideas welcome.

Hawk HPS squeal??

[Transport3r]

Originally Posted by nitehawk

Hawk HPS squeal??

Lol yea mine don't. (HPS on TMS slotted discs)

watch tomorrow morning they wil.. l

Love these pads, improved braking feel and much more linear force.

[mike-y]

I never had a problem modulating the stock brake pads. yeah, they were really sensitive with that great initial bite, so I just got used to braking with a light foot.

Last year, I switched to a popular low-dust ceramic compound, and while brake dust was nearly non-existent, so was the initial bite that I had gotten used to. After a few weeks, it got a little better, but was still no where near what the OEM pads were. And on really cold mornings, it seemed as if it took a little while for the brakes to work well. with a lot of pressure, the pads were quite okay, but the lack of bite bothered me enough that I switched again after a few months.

My 3rd set is now the Hawk HPS, and I have to say I'm pretty happy with them. While they dust a bit more than the ceramic pads, it's still a heck of a lot less than the OEM pads. And the initial bite is back! Not sure if it's exactly like the OEM's, but I think it's pretty close. Way better than the low-dust pads were anyway.

The HPS pads ONLY squeek a tiny bit in the morning when they are cold. and they only squeek at the last instant where the car stops - like when you reverse out of the drive way and then hit the brake to go forward, you get a little bark from the pads. After a stop or two, there is no noise. tested this today after driving to the store. When I came home I went forward and reverse multiple times to make them squawk, and they wouldn't do it.

The only other time I heard noise with the HPS was when the pads were a few weeks old, I was doing some aggressive driving on a windy road, and after a while, really heated up the brakes. I could hear a faint, low pitched sound under braking, but nothing like the race pads on my other car. The noise went away when the brakes cooled down a bit, and I haven't been able to reproduce it since..

So count me as a fan of the HPS. And if anyone wants some barely used super low-dust pads for really cheap, PM me

[HP Autosport]

Stoptech Street Performance

Porterfield R4S

[neilvosko]

+1
but i heard endless are great too, just no users with the e92?