[smack]

Has anyone seen this new hand held from Active Autowerke? It looks like you purchase the device and then have to purchase maps seperatly from them. Not exactly sure how it works. Could someone shed some light on this new device?

http://store.activeautowerke.com/act...px?Thread=True

[DUI Elite]

Everything you said pretty much sums it up lol

The simon tool allows you to move between maps without having to see an authorized retailer or sending in your ECU.

It become married to your car though, so it is a permanent tool to keep.

[smack]

I guess what I am more interested in is how does it stack up against the Cobb tuner?

[N 5 4]

Once the ecu is flashed to a certain program and flashed to stock, can dealers see a history of the ecu being reflashed? Will there be historical data stored in the EPROM?

[E90Company]

If this is the same as COBB, OMG. Subscribed

[benzy89]

ALMOST the same as the COBB. Just like the COBB, you can flash different maps straight through the OBD port. Unlike the COBB, AA's tune is VIN locked = No Resale Value. Also, the COBB let's you download maps right off their website. If you read the description, you need to be in email contact w/ an AA rep to get their maps.

COBB FTW

[smack]

Originally Posted by benzy89

ALMOST the same as the COBB. Just like the COBB, you can flash different maps straight through the OBD port. Unlike the COBB, AA's tune is VIN locked = No Resale Value. Also, the COBB let's you download maps right off their website. If you read the description, you need to be in email contact w/ an AA rep to get their maps.

COBB FTW

Wow that is pretty shitty that it is vin locked to the car and their is no resale value should one decide to sell it. Also having to be in contact with a rep at all times kind of sucks as well. Not trying to knock their unit but I think it pales in comparison to the Cobb.

[benzy89]

Originally Posted by smack

Wow that is pretty shitty that it is vin locked to the car and their is no resale value should one decide to sell it. Also having to be in contact with a rep at all times kind of sucks as well. Not trying to knock their unit but I think it pales in comparison to the Cobb.

I mean, the COBB is $895 + the AA is $350. So outside of the price, the AA unit really has NO advantages. I mean....

• COBB AP holds up to 100 different maps, logs data & allows live data viewing
• You can download COBB maps at any hour of the day/nite, so if you do your install on a Saturday, you can put those mods to use instantly
• The AA Flash Tune makes you dependent on AA's people. If you don't get an email back from them, then you don't get your maps
• AA might not let you have multiple maps at once
• COBB AP lets you have a DD map, an Aggressive Street Map, a Race Map, a Meth Map, etc etc etc

Like I said, COBB FTMFW

[rader1]

Pretty much the same thing as the Evolve tuner.

However, I'm interested to see numbers and how the data logs look. Not all flashes are the same and most don't have full control over the DME logic and I wonder how in depth the AA software is.

[benzy89]

Originally Posted by rader1

Pretty much the same thing as the Evolve tuner.

However, I'm interested to see numbers and how the data logs look. Not all flashes are the same and most don't have full control over the DME logic and I wonder how in depth the AA software is.

Truu, can't really pass judgement until we see some concrete results: dynos, power numbers, etc