should the bimmer be better then mecedes....

rs1985 · 10-26-2005, 08:44 PM

well
is build in Germany
my ML is built in US
should it be a bit better?

natalia · 10-26-2005, 08:48 PM

i believe BMW X5s are produced in Greenville, SC.

Mark · 10-26-2005, 08:48 PM

I think in most cases the quality of the car comes down to its engineering and design rather then where it is built. THe Mercedes ML (like the US Z3) was designed as an afterthought for the USA market so not much design or QC was put into it. So i'd definatly put my finger on the E90 being better in quality. I'm probably one of the biggest benz fanboys there are but unfortunatly the quality of their cars has really slipped in recent years

ska///235i · 10-26-2005, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkE90M3

I think in most cases the quality of the car comes down to its engineering and design rather then where it is built. THe Mercedes ML (like the US Z3) was designed as an afterthought for the USA market so not much design or QC was put into it. So i'd definatly put my finger on the E90 being better in quality. I'm probably one of the biggest benz fanboys there are but unfortunatly the quality of their cars has really slipped in recent years

I agree...I sold my 2005 C-Class in less than 1 year and ordered the E90.

ward · 10-26-2005, 09:17 PM

I have a spartanburg built Z4 and a munich built 325

I can tell the 325 was put together better

E90-4life · 10-26-2005, 09:23 PM

I don't get it, same company, two different locations. Company standards and protocol should be the same at all manufacturing facilities.

rs1985 · 10-26-2005, 09:24 PM

well
i don't know
the that's what I heard as far as I am concern

ska///235i · 10-26-2005, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by E90-4life

I don't get it, same company, two different locations. Company standards and protocol should be the same at all manufacturing facilities.

I hate American built cars...they suck!!!

spitfire6000 · 10-26-2005, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ska

I hate American built cars...they suck!!!

My 03 X5 is american built and ive never had any problems with it.

cntlaw · 10-26-2005, 10:31 PM

My ex 2002 Z3 2.2 Sports Edition was built in USA. (zero problems except bad interior rattlings perhaps due to its M3 suspensions and 245 rear tires)
My ex 2001 E320 W210 was built in Germany (bought new but it came with a air conditioning problem (not cold enough) only discovered 2 years later, and virtually zero problems)
My C55 AMG W203 RHD was built in South Africa (the AMG block is built in Germany) - numerous problems some were common to both Germany made and SA made

My coming E90 330i will be assembled in SA - the dealer said the parts are made in Germany and shipped to SA.

By the time I receive my E90, I will be the one who owns two SA made top brand German cars

Nikki · 10-26-2005, 10:31 PM

As long as it isn't built in Mexico.

10-26-2005, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cntlaw

My ex 2002 Z3 2.2 Sports Edition was built in USA. (zero problems except bad interior rattlings perhaps due to its M3 suspensions and 245 rear tires)
My ex 2001 E320 W210 was built in Germany (bought new but it came with a air conditioning problem (not cold enough) only discovered 2 years later, and virtually zero problems)
My C55 AMG W203 RHD was built in South Africa (the AMG block is built in Germany) - numerous problems some were common to both Germany made and SA made

My coming E90 330i will be assembled in SA - the dealer said the parts are made in Germany and shipped to SA.

By the time I receive my E90, I will be the one who owns two SA made top brand German cars

Hm. I thought the 325i was built in South Africa, and the 330i was in Germany? The're BOTH built there?

deutschmann59 · 10-26-2005, 10:36 PM

Yeah, my 325i came direct from Germany. I'm not sure what the difference is--which ones are SA made and which ones are Germany made

rs1985 · 10-26-2005, 10:36 PM

there isn't a SA car i dun think in Canada
all from Munich or somewhere

Nikki · 10-26-2005, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sharp1183

Yeah, my 325i came direct from Germany. I'm not sure what the difference is--which ones are SA made and which ones are Germany made

Check out the thread that was posted recently with a poll for what factory made your car, it has to do with the 7th letter in your VIN.

deutschmann59 · 10-26-2005, 10:48 PM

Yeah, I knew about that Nik, but I meant how do they differentiate which one is which...like are models from Jan made in Germany, Feb in SA, March in Germany, April in SA, and so on? Is there some kind of way of finding this out? Or maybe someone brought this up before on the forum?

Nikki · 10-26-2005, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sharp1183

Yeah, I knew about that Nik, but I meant how do they differentiate which one is which...like are models from Jan made in Germany, Feb in SA, March in Germany, April in SA, and so on? Is there some kind of way of finding this out? Did someone bring this up before on the forum? I don't remember seeing it

Oh, they only make certain vehicles at some plants,
and others make many different vehicles.
As far as how many from where, they probably just have a set amount to make,
I'm sure E90Fleet will know.

underDAWG · 10-27-2005, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by cntlaw

By the time I receive my E90, I will be the one who owns two SA made top brand German cars

Woooo, I love to some pics with some random billboard background. Please post and congrats.

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David328M-Sport · 10-27-2005, 01:19 AM

My wife has a current model C180K. Compared to the previous C180, it is a fantastic car for the base C Class. It compares just as well as my e90 compares to my old e46 323.

The Merc is 2 1/2 years old and has not had any issues. Well built and drives very well indeed. By that I mean 100% reliability. Switch it on and it goes day in day out. No squeeks or rattles, no unusual noises. We are very happy with the build quality of the car.

So from our experience, both companies build terrific cars. I am just a one eyed BMW fan.

cntlaw · 10-27-2005, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jomamma

Hm. I thought the 325i was built in South Africa, and the 330i was in Germany? The're BOTH built there?

I believe all RHDs are assembled in SA.
So, Asia, England will get SA made E90's regardless.

Except, if you go Japan (RHD country) and see a LHD E90, don't be surprise , because Japanese like to choose LHD for imported cars so their cars can be recognised as 'import'. LHD has better resell values too in Japan.

Frank_NJ · 10-27-2005, 07:18 AM

I had one Benz and that was more then enough to loose me as a customer forever. The car was nothing but problems. But what I have gathered there are two types on Benz buyers the first one is the brand loyal buyer that keeps buying them even if they get a bad one and then the one time buyer like myself that got screwed with a lemon.

F32Fleet · 10-27-2005, 09:33 AM

My wife has had 2 MB's (SLK and CLK). Her SLK was solid save for problems with condensation on rear brake light bulbs causing problems. Her CLK had to have it's transmission module replaced. I've found with MB some models are more reliable than others, or they appear so.

You guys remember when Canadian assembled US cars were though to have better reliability than those assembled in the US?

I think the biggest difference between US and say German autoworkers, is that US workers/society do not afford much pride/respect for what they do hence the mindset for doing great work isn't there.

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