Randy Pobst doesnt like 1 M at all.

335BBS · 11-11-2011, 01:13 PM

Motor Trend just tested a bunch of pretty hot cars including 1M. Pobst complained about brakes, understeer etc etc. Actually said he hates the car!
I thought everyone loved it?

gary88 · 11-11-2011, 01:14 PM

Motor Trend, hmm...

fdriller9 · 11-11-2011, 01:18 PM

Who cares about 1 persons opinion? It's not like his decision dictates what the world believes.

335BBS · 11-11-2011, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by gary88

Motor Trend, hmm...

Interesting I know. Pretty successful racer.

vzehler · 11-11-2011, 03:40 PM

I'm sure the car performs great but I reallllly don't like how they look personally.

Bottom line is, it doesn't matter who likes the car just so long as the person buying and driving it does.

reprod · 11-11-2011, 03:41 PM

I read this issue of Motor Trend and compared to the other cars the 1M was against in this showdown I would agree.

MuchMoore · 11-11-2011, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Leaker

Motor Trend just tested a bunch of pretty hot cars including 1M. Pobst complained about brakes, understeer etc etc. Actually said he hates the car!
I thought everyone loved it?

I definitely respect Randy Pobst, but...not so much Motor Trend.

LeifW · 11-11-2011, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by vzehler

Bottom line is, it doesn't matter who likes the car just so long as the person buying and driving it does.

+1

Bimmerfile had an interesting op ed piece on the Motor Trend article.
http://www.bimmerfile.com/2011/10/29...ar/#more-16570

Full disclosure: I own a 1M

Leif W.

ENINTY · 11-12-2011, 06:12 AM

The Mustang Boss 302 did quite well in that comparo.

CamelBiscuit · 11-12-2011, 06:38 AM

The sad thing is that I have always thought the rustang was such a girls car but lately I kinda like it. Hell next maybe I will buy the notebook and watch it and cry.

Bentrix · 11-12-2011, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ENINTY

The Mustang Boss 302 did quite well in that comparo.

and i quote "Ford engineers even reportedly benchmarked the BMW M3 when developing the Boss 302, aiming to beat the famous Bavarian coupe around Laguna Seca, which they claim to have achieved."

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/08/13/f...back-for-2012/

ENINTY · 11-12-2011, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bentrix

and i quote "Ford engineers even reportedly benchmarked the BMW M3 when developing the Boss 302, aiming to beat the famous Bavarian coupe around Laguna Seca, which they claim to have achieved."

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/08/13/f...back-for-2012/

What is your point?

JamesM3M5 · 11-12-2011, 08:31 AM

Randy Pobst sounds like a point-and-shoot driver from the comments he's made in magazines. He started off autocrossing, which is not what most factory race engineers have in mind when they set up suspensions. He likes the shocks hard and squares off corners to lengthen straights. To each his own. Just because he doesn't like the 1M doesn't mean much. He's a fine driver, but his style doesn't fit that sort of setup.

That and the Bosch DSC is designed with the most ham-fisted drivers in mind. It was not designed from the ground up as race-bred traction control, merely an exceptional street and track capable system. It does intervene more than many high end and pro drivers are accustomed to.

ENINTY · 11-12-2011, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CCS#82

The sad thing is that I have always thought the rustang was such a girls car but lately I kinda like it. Hell next maybe I will buy the notebook and watch it and cry.

The E46 M3 Cabrio was a girls car....

CamelBiscuit · 11-12-2011, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ENINTY

The E46 M3 Cabrio was a girls car....

If you take away the word Cabriole and put convertible does it still make it a girl's car?

CamelBiscuit · 11-12-2011, 09:18 AM

Damn spell check! Why did it put cabriole? Is that a side dish from louisiana or something?

RoundelM3 · 11-12-2011, 09:38 AM

Motor Trend reviews SUVs and Trucks...so much for their credibility in judging a performance car.

ENINTY · 11-12-2011, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CCS#82

If you take away the word Cabriole and put convertible does it still make it a girl's car?

Yes. But still MY kind of girl...

ENINTY · 11-12-2011, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by roundel335

Motor Trend reviews SUVs and Trucks...so much for their credibility in judging a performance car.

Car and Driver reviews MRAAPs, fire trucks, one-off 4x4 hunting platforms, mining dump trucks, and other non-performance car vehicles. Does that mean their absolute love for the 3-Series (which they editorially admit to) is bogus too; or, is it just when a magazine doesn't pawn all over a beloved BMW you have to invalidate them with some nonsensical comment?

ENINTY · 11-12-2011, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CCS#82

Damn spell check! Why did it put cabriole? Is that a side dish from louisiana or something?

Not sure, but it made me hungry...

BEAR-AvHistory · 11-12-2011, 10:50 AM

I had a chance to drive a 1M & the car certainly had more capability then I do.

I originally ordered a regular 135i for PCD early this summer. Do to numerous delays & bought a 335is from the dealers lot in the same color combo, gray/red, & most of the options (7DCT) I had ordered in the 135i.

Recently I parked next too my exact car in a 135i envelope & came away very happy that I went with the 335is. It just held together visually so much better then the 135i IMHO.

RoundelM3 · 11-12-2011, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ENINTY

Car and Driver reviews MRAAPs, fire trucks, one-off 4x4 hunting platforms, mining dump trucks, and other non-performance car vehicles. Does that mean their absolute love for the 3-Series (which they editorially admit to) is bogus too; or, is it just when a magazine doesn't pawn all over a beloved BMW you have to invalidate them with some nonsensical comment?

Seems to me your comment is more nonsensical. I call them as I see them. Motor Trend doesn't impress me; Road and Track, on the other hand, focuses on the TYPE of car I like, not necessarily the brand. So yeah, I'm invalidating them with my informed comment, rather than denigrating another poster's comments with some not-so-informed remark. You probably like Consumer Reports too, I'd wager.

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