335i vs c63

triggz · 08-26-2011, 06:08 PM

My buddy has a c63 with a chip and claims that he will destroy me

Is this true?

Can I take him without meth? Or with meth? Or no matter what I'm losing?

nitehawk · 08-26-2011, 06:26 PM

In short...you need meth!

rooringhusky · 08-26-2011, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by triggz

My buddy has a c63 with a chip and claims that he will destroy me

Is this true?

Can I take him without meth? Or with meth? Or no matter what I'm losing?

Definately wont win without meth...with meth I honestly have no clue?

Q4P · 08-26-2011, 06:42 PM

If you're FBO and u have meth, there is certainly a chance but you're not smoking anyone especially if he has a tune. Those cars are monsters and have an insanely large powerband.

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 08-26-2011, 06:44 PM

FBO with Meth to stand a chance

Chrisred · 08-26-2011, 07:54 PM

I took one at the drag strip with JB4 FBO without meth. Beat him twice by 3-4 car lengths. But I have xi so great on launches. On highway I'm sure he can take me.

Forcefed3 · 08-26-2011, 07:55 PM

This has been discussed so many times.

BMWsky · 08-26-2011, 08:11 PM

As everyone mentioned, that'll be a really tall order. The C63 is a lot of engine in a small car...and we're not talking fat guy in a little coat.

themyst · 08-26-2011, 08:25 PM

a stock C63 traps 113-114, within range for a FBO N54, so I'm not really surprised there. a tuned C63 traps upwards of 118-120 full weight. You'll need FBO, 18-19 psi, 100% meth, COLD weather and a good jump to barely edge one. If the weather's over 70 degrees outside don't even bother, you will lose.

I speak from experience as I've run the C63 in tuned and stock state numerous times.

woodga16 · 08-26-2011, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWsky

As everyone mentioned, that'll be a really tall order. The C63 is a lot of engine in a small car...and we're not talking fat guy in a little coat.

great quote

dzenno · 08-26-2011, 11:22 PM

bring him around the west side lol

M340i Pride · 08-27-2011, 12:09 AM

from number alone, looks like full bolt on meth tuned 335i can definitely edge out a tuned c63. but it has to be maxed out or no chance.

turb0mik3 · 08-27-2011, 12:26 AM

Would be an interesting fight. They are pretty heavy. I say 335i.

MikeyComputers · 08-27-2011, 03:22 AM

i raced one from a dead stop he ripped me idk what was done to it though

Tari · 08-27-2011, 11:44 AM

you might lose without meth

Syndicategt · 08-27-2011, 11:54 AM

C63 tuned + headers and straight pipes vs FBO/ Meth 335i will depend on the driver and how cold it is outside. I give the edge to the 6.2L engine in most conditions.

themyst · 08-27-2011, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Syndicategt

C63 tuned + headers and straight pipes vs FBO/ Meth 335i will depend on the driver and how cold it is outside. I give the edge to the 6.2L engine in most conditions.

are you kidding me? C63 tune + headers traps well over 123-124. Good luck handling that on stock turbos FBO+meth.

Please don't refer to those bullshit slips from Sac Raceway by Vishnu/BMS.

I am FBO+meth short the mids/catback and I had a hard enough time with a tune-only C63.

Don't give the OP false hope lol.

dzenno · 08-27-2011, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by themyst

are you kidding me? C63 tune + headers traps well over 123-124. Good luck handling that on stock turbos FBO+meth.

Please don't refer to those bullshit slips from Sac Raceway by Vishnu/BMS.

I am FBO+meth short the mids/catback and I had a hard enough time with a tune-only C63.

Don't give the OP false hope lol.

+1

derrick603 · 08-27-2011, 02:46 PM

Is the stock C63 tune really poor? It seems like they're getting tuned turbo-like gains out of an NA motor.

Stucks · 08-27-2011, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by derrick603

Is the stock C63 tune really poor? It seems like they're getting tuned turbo-like gains out of an NA motor.

they are rated for what, 450hp? the e63 which uses the same motor only a different tune, is rated for 500+ hp. The c63's are detuned from the factory it appears.

Q4P · 08-27-2011, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Syndicategt

C63 tuned + headers and straight pipes vs FBO/ Meth 335i will depend on the driver and how cold it is outside. I give the edge to the 6.2L engine in most conditions.

Not gonna agree with this, it won't really be a competitive run. MHP's C63 which currently hold the American Benz record only has headers, exhaust and tune (i've personally seen it and it is a monster).

Without spray, that car runs an 11.2@125 (which is with the mods you described, but that is only half the story, look at a dyno sheet to see how massive the powerband is) - good luck running against that with an FBO 335i with meth

With spray, let's not even discuss... (10.39 @ 134, that is still almost a second quicker than a sprayed N54)

What's even funnier is that there are some cats down in the diesel forum that believe a tuned 335d is very close to the performance of a C63.

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 08-27-2011, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Questforpower

Not gonna agree with this, it won't really be a competitive run. MHP's C63 which currently hold the American Benz record only has headers, exhaust and tune (i've personally seen it and it is a monster).

Without spray, that car runs an 11.2@125 (which is with the mods you described, but that is only half the story, look at a dyno sheet to see how massive the powerband is) - good luck running against that with an FBO 335i with meth

With spray, let's not even discuss... (10.39 @ 134, that is still almost a second quicker than a sprayed N54)

What's even funnier is that there are some cats down in the diesel forum that believe a tuned 335d is very close to the performance of a C63.

No replacement for displacement. (except a big A$$ turbo) which we dont have.

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triggz Banned 56 Rep 1,224 Posts Drives: E92 335i Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Toronto iTrader: (2)	335i vs c63 My buddy has a c63 with a chip and claims that he will destroy me Is this true? Can I take him without meth? Or with meth? Or no matter what I'm losing?
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Q4P Colonel 83 Rep 2,291 Posts Drives: Too Much Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: World iTrader: (0)	If you're FBO and u have meth, there is certainly a chance but you're not smoking anyone especially if he has a tune. Those cars are monsters and have an insanely large powerband. __________________ 2jZ + RB26 + 4G63 + LS9 + N54 =
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Chrisred Captain 63 Rep 788 Posts Drives: BMW 335xi coupe Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Montreal, Canada iTrader: (0)	I took one at the drag strip with JB4 FBO without meth. Beat him twice by 3-4 car lengths. But I have xi so great on launches. On highway I'm sure he can take me. __________________ JB4 Trebila tuned cp-e IC AMS exhaust BMS DCI AR DP's METH RB TURBO 19" VMR VB3 Stoptech BBK TC KLINE VORSHLAG SPEC STG 3 OSS design
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Forcefed3 Banned 127 Rep 4,732 Posts Drives: 2008 335i Join Date: May 2010 Location: South iTrader: (2) Garage List 2008 335i [1.00]	This has been discussed so many times.
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BMWsky Major 24 Rep 1,244 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Webster NY iTrader: (1)	As everyone mentioned, that'll be a really tall order. The C63 is a lot of engine in a small car...and we're not talking fat guy in a little coat.
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themyst Major General 177 Rep 6,631 Posts Drives: '16 MK7 GTI Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NYC iTrader: (8)	a stock C63 traps 113-114, within range for a FBO N54, so I'm not really surprised there. a tuned C63 traps upwards of 118-120 full weight. You'll need FBO, 18-19 psi, 100% meth, COLD weather and a good jump to barely edge one. If the weather's over 70 degrees outside don't even bother, you will lose. I speak from experience as I've run the C63 in tuned and stock state numerous times. __________________ E90 LCI N54 6AT
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dzenno Banned 273 Rep 5,876 Posts Drives: Join Date: Feb 2006 iTrader: (1)	bring him around the west side lol
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M340i Pride Lieutenant Colonel 209 Rep 1,712 Posts Drives: 2020 BMW M340i Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA iTrader: (1)	from number alone, looks like full bolt on meth tuned 335i can definitely edge out a tuned c63. but it has to be maxed out or no chance.
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MikeyComputers Captain 45 Rep 649 Posts Drives: 2007 335i 6mt White/red Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Williston Park new york iTrader: (3) Garage List 2007 335i [6.00]	i raced one from a dead stop he ripped me idk what was done to it though
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Tari Captain 66 Rep 643 Posts Drives: MG M4 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NY iTrader: (0)	you might lose without meth
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Syndicategt Brigadier General 153 Rep 3,730 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Nor Cal iTrader: (11)	C63 tuned + headers and straight pipes vs FBO/ Meth 335i will depend on the driver and how cold it is outside. I give the edge to the 6.2L engine in most conditions. __________________ 2008 BMW 335i e90 - Sold - Rob Beck Turbos / PROcede V5 / Aquamist HFS-4 / AR Downpipes / AE Exhaust / ER Comp FMIC / ER CP / TiAL BOV / Custom Intake / RPI Scoops / Quaife LSD / Swift-Koni Coilovers / DSS HS / Morr VS8.2 Sig Black / Michelin PSS / P3 Boost Guage / M3 body / M3 steering wheel / Adam's Rotors / Hawk HPS / SS lines /
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derrick603 Captain 55 Rep 592 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Fremont, CA iTrader: (0)	Is the stock C63 tune really poor? It seems like they're getting tuned turbo-like gains out of an NA motor.
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