[m3fxu]

Ok let's start out by saying I have searched and looked through the site for about 4 days now to learn. I still have a few questions.

As of now I have a '04 Imola Red M3 (SMG) I bought it last may with 19k miles for what then was a decent price around 50k. Well I have gone to two dealers and Carmax For my M3 now the trade in price I have gotten (I know that PP sell I would get several thousand more) $32k from Carmax $35k form the BMW dealership I bought it from and $37 from another dealership in Hampton. Needless to say I was shocked and pissed at how much value the M3 has lost in the past 11 months because now the 335i is out and the new M3 is coming.

So I decided to get rid of my FX 35 which is to this date is probably my favorite vehicle I have owned ( even over the M3 some days). I will get rid of this and want to take delivery ED since it seems the smartest route for the money and working in a vacation. For the 335i convertible fully loaded with everything but without the Active steering and maybe no active cruise control (A lot of FX'ers with the laser cruise control never used them because it would set off the laser detector in the car).

Invoice for the ED I believe is somewhere around $54,665.

One question is I was flipping through leasetrader or swapalease.com I don't remember which, anyway there was a guy on there wanting out of his 335i coupe in his comments he mentions he picked it up as a ED and got a "Driver Package” which isn't available through the US cars but he was able to ad it because he did a ED.
He stated it helped at high-speed driver and such for the autobahn. Is he full of it or is he mistaken by another package? I didn't think we could get some Euro stuff on our BMW's even with the ED it had to be spec US! Could he have picked it up from a dealership there after the pickup and could I say pick up something while I was there or during the inspection when it got back to the states be found and removed???

also I want the LSD because I love to swing the M3's back end around I know it's a different car and the convertible is heavier but I'm assuming the LSD is needed for that! Also is the LSD a permanent mod? I haven't decided if I am leasing or buying If something tore up I know I would be responsible for it but if it does no damage and I lease it I would want to return it back to stock.

Finally for now where is Dinan's software for the 335i? I mean if they can get similar results as Procede I would be willing to pay double the price to not have to hide it from the dealership!!!
Or has BMW informed them not to because they don't want the 335i admitly easily tunable to near future M3 power?


Thanks in advance look forward to learning and getting to know you all.

[m3fxu]

No one with any feed back for any of this?

[RRGOO7]

The guy that is selling his car is most certainly mistaken for another package or trying to mis-inform you. You can get a LSD and it is a reversible mod...Dinan has not released any software for the 335 YET

[HyperM3]

Originally Posted by m3fxu

also I want the LSD because I love to swing the M3's back end around I know it's a different car and the convertible is heavier but I'm assuming the LSD is needed for that!

You will have no problem swinging the backend out without the need for an LSD.

[m3fxu]

Anyone who's had an M3, How did you go from the rawness feeling of the E46 to the E92? If you didn't have the Procede would you still have gotten the 335i? I see the tunability of the 335i as a major plus.

[HyperM3]

Originally Posted by m3fxu

Anyone who's had an M3, How did you go from the rawness feeling of the E46 to the E92?

Since when did M3's start with the e46 platform?? Which wasnt as raw as the e36 and definitely wasnt as raw as the e30...

[Dr_Dirt]

According to NADAGUIDES.com you should be able to get closer to 39K for a trade, depending on options. Carmax is a complete rip off.

[SDYANKEE]

Originally Posted by m3fxu

Anyone who's had an M3, How did you go from the rawness feeling of the E46 to the E92? If you didn't have the Procede would you still have gotten the 335i? I see the tunability of the 335i as a major plus.

I chose my 335 over an E46 M3 and didn't even consider procede after extensively "test driving" both from friends who had them

[KL2DC]

I have not heard of any 'driver's package'. The OP is correct, ED cars are in everyway stricly US spec.

[m3fxu]

Originally Posted by HyperM3

Since when did M3's start with the e46 platform?? Which wasnt as raw as the e36 and definitely wasnt as raw as the e30...

True, I have heard the E36 was rougher. But I have never ridden in one of the older M's except once in I believe it was an E36 sedan. I never said the E46 started anything.

Also by rawness I didn't mean the suspension roughness (though it is part of the feeling) I meant the connected to the road feeling/engine feeling like it's going ot rip itself apart. I have only test driven the 335i and I felt like I would get more speeding tickets in it then the M just because it went fast without feeling as fast. If that makes sense!

[m3fxu]

Originally Posted by KL2DC

I have not heard of any 'driver's package'. The OP is correct, ED cars are in everyway stricly US spec.

I wonder if any parts bought at the local Europe dealerships would be allowed back on the car?

[TonyLukes3]

Driver package =
Others have answered the previous questions, but yes you can definitely swing the ass end around with a 335 no problem! Hell I do it all the time with a Z3 3.0i and that's not even close to the HP (albeit a LOT smaller car). Benefits of going with a stick though

I'd try to sell your car outright, or trade it in at the BMW dealer as a last resort. CarMax won't give you near what the car is worth, regardless of the new M3 coming out or not. As for Dinan, I'm sure they'll be releasing software this year. I can't imagine them ignoring BMW's first new-gen turbo! Good luck

[HyperM3]

Originally Posted by m3fxu

True, I have heard the E36 was rougher. But I have never ridden in one of the older M's except once in I believe it was an E36 sedan. I never said the E46 started anything.

Also by rawness I didn't mean the suspension roughness (though it is part of the feeling) I meant the connected to the road feeling/engine feeling like it's going ot rip itself apart. I have only test driven the 335i and I felt like I would get more speeding tickets in it then the M just because it went fast without feeling as fast. If that makes sense!

I was being sarcastically offended. However I do know what you mean. Ill tell you exactly what it is though, its quiet smoothness. If you can hear the engine or exhaust, you internally know youre going fast. When you cant hear anything your body cant adjust and now you NEED to be looking at the speedometer. In my 335 I can be doing 70 in a 55 and not realize the difference. In any car with exhaust, no matter how smooth it is, I always think Im going faster than I am. So, I think with exhaust on the 335, youll start feeling the speed more.

Make sense?

[KL2DC]

Originally Posted by m3fxu

I wonder if any parts bought at the local Europe dealerships would be allowed back on the car?

There's no guarantee the statesside VPC would replace it to maintain US spec or DOT compliance. Its the VPC's goal to bring the car back to US showroom conidition, that's why they also tend to small damages which is also covered by the non-deductible comp insurance that is included.

[m3fxu]

Originally Posted by SDYANKEE

I chose my 335 over an E46 M3 and didn't even consider procede after extensively "test driving" both from friends who had them

So you decided against the Procede! May I ask why you decided against it?

[m3fxu]

Originally Posted by HyperM3

I was being sarcastically offended. However I do know what you mean. Ill tell you exactly what it is though, its quiet smoothness. If you can hear the engine or exhaust, you internally know youre going fast. When you cant hear anything your body cant adjust and now you NEED to be looking at the speedometer. In my 335 I can be doing 70 in a 55 and not realize the difference. In any car with exhaust, no matter how smooth it is, I always think Im going faster than I am. So, I think with exhaust on the 335, youll start feeling the speed more.

Make sense?

The 335 doesn't have a sensor or light to let you know your speeding does it. I did like the Lexus IS350 feature of that. You can set the speedo to whatever 70mph and if you pass it the lights flash and it beeps to let you know you sped past your safety mark.

[HyperM3]

Originally Posted by m3fxu

The 335 doesn't have a sensor or light to let you know your speeding does it. I did like the Lexus IS350 feature of that. You can set the speedo to whatever 70mph and if you pass it the lights flash and it beeps to let you know you sped past your safety mark.

It has that if you get iDrive.

[musc]

Originally Posted by m3fxu

Ok let's start out by saying I have searched and looked through the site for about 4 days now to learn. I still have a few questions.

As of now I have a '04 Imola Red M3 (SMG) I bought it last may with 19k miles for what then was a decent price around 50k. Well I have gone to two dealers and Carmax For my M3 now the trade in price I have gotten (I know that PP sell I would get several thousand more) $32k from Carmax $35k form the BMW dealership I bought it from and $37 from another dealership in Hampton. Needless to say I was shocked and pissed at how much value the M3 has lost in the past 11 months because now the 335i is out and the new M3 is coming.

So I decided to get rid of my FX 35 which is to this date is probably my favorite vehicle I have owned ( even over the M3 some days). I will get rid of this and want to take delivery ED since it seems the smartest route for the money and working in a vacation. For the 335i convertible fully loaded with everything but without the Active steering and maybe no active cruise control (A lot of FX'ers with the laser cruise control never used them because it would set off the laser detector in the car).

Invoice for the ED I believe is somewhere around $54,665.

One question is I was flipping through leasetrader or swapalease.com I don't remember which, anyway there was a guy on there wanting out of his 335i coupe in his comments he mentions he picked it up as a ED and got a "Driver Package” which isn't available through the US cars but he was able to ad it because he did a ED.
He stated it helped at high-speed driver and such for the autobahn. Is he full of it or is he mistaken by another package? I didn't think we could get some Euro stuff on our BMW's even with the ED it had to be spec US! Could he have picked it up from a dealership there after the pickup and could I say pick up something while I was there or during the inspection when it got back to the states be found and removed???

also I want the LSD because I love to swing the M3's back end around I know it's a different car and the convertible is heavier but I'm assuming the LSD is needed for that! Also is the LSD a permanent mod? I haven't decided if I am leasing or buying If something tore up I know I would be responsible for it but if it does no damage and I lease it I would want to return it back to stock.

Finally for now where is Dinan's software for the 335i? I mean if they can get similar results as Procede I would be willing to pay double the price to not have to hide it from the dealership!!!
Or has BMW informed them not to because they don't want the 335i admitly easily tunable to near future M3 power?


Thanks in advance look forward to learning and getting to know you all.

Hindsight is 20/20, but 50K was a lot for an 04 M3 even last year!! So be prepared to take a big loss if you do end up selling it.

I recently sold my O4 and was really not happy with Carmax. They offered 33, then 35, then 37. I think they basically lowball you, hoping to catch that one person that is desperate to sell. Trade in values are not a whole lot better.

Just try putting it on Autotrader and see if you get some bites. I just sold my 04 for 44K.

[purplewidow]

what a dealer gives you is NOT what the car is worth!!!!! hello

if you sell it on your own add on another 5-8k!!! so 10k isn't horrible for one year plus your add on mileage!!! and a new body style and the new m3 coming in the fall!!! but 35 is just rediculous but the dealer is then gonna sell it for over 40!!! but when people see they can buy a new 335 for that which is faster and newer and in a new body style with new features and stuff people would rather buy a new car with a warranty than buy an m3 at this point in time!!
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[BMW_drei]

Originally Posted by HyperM3

...
I can be doing 70 in a 55 and not realize the difference. ...

Make that 100 in a 55 -- there's almost no difference above 40 until around 120 from what I can tell (depending on the road surface, of course).

[HyperM3]

Originally Posted by BMW_drei

Make that 100 in a 55 -- there's almost no difference above 40 until around 120 from what I can tell (depending on the road surface, of course).

Fair enough. I was trying to sound like I actually drive within the limits.

[m3fxu]

Originally Posted by HyperM3

It has that if you get iDrive.

Hmmm what's the Idrive do beep or something if you speed?

During my test drive I could tell if and when I get the 335 I would find much use for it.