FUCHs motor oil

SG07 · 04-26-2011, 11:15 PM

Sorry this may have been covered before but just wanted to confirm that FUCHs is an approved oil for BMWs?

Those who has used this, comments welcomed.

Turkeybaster115 · 04-27-2011, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TrackRat

Fuchs sells many oils. You need to check to be certain that the oil is both LL-01 approved and of the proper viscosity, per your OM.

TrackRat, you dodged my question about BMW 10W-60 being in wide use for several engines, but lacking any type of LL approval.

F32Fleet · 04-27-2011, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Turkeybaster115

TrackRat, you dodged my question about BMW 10W-60 being in wide use for several engines, but lacking any type of LL approval.

It references only a few m cars. That's the approval ur looking for.

Turkeybaster115 · 04-27-2011, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Socom

It references only a few m cars. That's the approval ur looking for.

Your not TrackRat.

Turkeybaster115 · 04-27-2011, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TrackRat

LL-01 oil specifications are for oils with a viscosity between 0W-40 used in non-M engines. 0w-40 oils are not for M engines that use 10w-60 specific oils. You need to use the proper oil for a given application.

The weight of the oil is negligable here, after all total, motul and several companies make BMW LL01 approved 10W-50. so NO, that doesn't answer my question. BMW's LL test must be performed on all oils, before they are used in BMW engines. This is your idea. Now please defend that stance where we see E46 M3/E90 M3/M5's/Z4M's etc.... not using BMW LL tested oils. Don't give me that its an M, because its BMW relabelled castrol 10W-60 used in these cars. So why doesn't castrol do the BMW LL test on this oil, like it does for some of its products?

Turkeybaster115 · 04-27-2011, 01:54 PM

Well, I could simply say, if BMW LL-01 testing is not required for anything higher than a 0W-40, why then did they perform it on Total, and Motul's 10W-50? But that would just be falling into your trap, and dodging the issue.

First you are completely ignorant about what the LL-01 testing sequence involves. You instead list tests done by the ACEA, which is not what the LL-01 sequence includes. Here is what the BMW LL-01 is:
"BMW LL-01 - Like the LL-98, also required to be ACEA A3, API SJ, and run a 370 hour test, but the test engine is now an M54 and compatibility with the valvetronic system is a specific test requirement. These oils tend to run a little bit lighter than the LL-98, with a Kvis100 range of 11.3 to 14.1, averaging about 12.3. HTHS averages about 3.6, TBN about 10.4, and density about 0.849."

So maybe running an oil in an M54 (2001 BMW 330CI) engine cannot ensure it will last in an E46 M3 engine (S54), or even a 335I engine (N54)?

SG07 · 04-27-2011, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TrackRat

Fuchs sells many oils. You need to check to be certain that the oil is both LL-01 approved and of the proper viscosity, per your OM.

So by the sound of it, there is at least one type of Fuchs oil that is LL-01 approved?

I just noticed that it's very hard to type Fuchs without mis-typing the other F word instead.

F32Fleet · 04-27-2011, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Turkeybaster115

The weight of the oil is negligable here, after all total, motul and several companies make BMW LL01 approved 10W-50. so NO, that doesn't answer my question. BMW's LL test must be performed on all oils, before they are used in BMW engines. This is your idea. Now please defend that stance where we see E46 M3/E90 M3/M5's/Z4M's etc.... not using BMW LL tested oils. Don't give me that its an M, because its BMW relabelled castrol 10W-60 used in these cars. So why doesn't castrol do the BMW LL test on this oil, like it does for some of its products?

Bmw TWS is ester base whereas the retail castrol 10w-m60 is PAO

DieselDiner · 04-28-2011, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SG07

Sorry this may have been covered before but just wanted to confirm that FUCHs is an approved oil for BMWs?

Those who has used this, comments welcomed.

Here's the list of oils on the Fuchs site, you have options: http://www.fuchs-europe.de/products.html

The biggest question is which oils will be available over here. You might have better luck with Canadian suppliers. Let us know what you choose, and where you get it!

P.S. Fuchs have introduced a new additive package call "XTL Technology". I haven't been able to find specs for these oils so far.

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Turkeybaster115 Banned 74 Rep 1,543 Posts Drives: 335I Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Illinois iTrader: (2)	Well, I could simply say, if BMW LL-01 testing is not required for anything higher than a 0W-40, why then did they perform it on Total, and Motul's 10W-50? But that would just be falling into your trap, and dodging the issue. First you are completely ignorant about what the LL-01 testing sequence involves. You instead list tests done by the ACEA, which is not what the LL-01 sequence includes. Here is what the BMW LL-01 is: "BMW LL-01 - Like the LL-98, also required to be ACEA A3, API SJ, and run a 370 hour test, but the test engine is now an M54 and compatibility with the valvetronic system is a specific test requirement. These oils tend to run a little bit lighter than the LL-98, with a Kvis100 range of 11.3 to 14.1, averaging about 12.3. HTHS averages about 3.6, TBN about 10.4, and density about 0.849." So maybe running an oil in an M54 (2001 BMW 330CI) engine cannot ensure it will last in an E46 M3 engine (S54), or even a 335I engine (N54)?
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