[michaelalex17]

road and track or car and driver rate the 335i stock at 4.8 seconds to 60. whats the 0-60 with a jb+ at 75%? and whats the 0-60 with a jb3 on map 5? thanks

[E92TTKING]

depends.
4.3-4.8

[hotrod182]

It all depends on traction/tires for good 0-60 times. However here is my test results with the JB+ installed.

Testing JB+ on 08 335I Sedan.

Did some baseline tests on the new 335I sedan. As the car is still pretty new (148 miles), it is still fairly tight, and the numbers are not that great, but still in the ball-park. In my past experience the cars seem to perform quite a bit better once they have about 7000 miles on them, with traps a good 1-1.5mph better than when they are brand new. The car is totally stock, 91 octane, with no optimization done at all for good ¼ mile Ets. Stock RFTs set at 36psi.

The totally stock runs: Near sea level, 52F. 91 Octane Shell. 01/01/08

Run#1 13.5 @ 103.1mph (2.0 sec 60’ time)

Run #2 13.5 @ 103.6 mph. (2.0 sec 60’ time.)
0-60mph: 4.9 seconds, 0-100mph: 12.5 seconds

Run#3 13.5 @ 103.6mph (2.0 sec 60’ time) Identical Times!
0-60 mph: 4.9 seconds 0-100 mph: 12.5 seconds.

AFTER INSTALLING JB+. 50F, 91 Octane Shell. Same day, same test section.


Run#1 13.2 @ 108.1 mph (2.1 sec 60’ time). More wheelspin!
0-60mph 4.7 seconds, 0-100mph: 11.4 seconds.

Run#2 13.1 @ 108.1 mph (2.0 sec 60’ time).
0-60 mph: 4.6 seconds, 0-100 mph: 11.2 seconds. (over a second quicker than stock)

Run#3 13.1 @ 108.0 mph (2.0 sec 60’ time)
0-60 mph: 4.6 seconds, 0-100 mph: 11.2 seconds.

So with better traction, (lower tire pressure or after market tires), and more adaptation, this would be capable of hitting the 12’s without a doubt. And once the car has a few more miles on it, that alone might do it.

Pretty impressive for a non-intrusive plug-in solution. And with a solid 4.5mph gain, that would equate to about a 40-45hp gain. And this is just a preliminary Beta unit with more user adjustable features planned in the future. Terry says this particular unit is on the lowest 91 octane setting.

FYI: I didn’t notice a drastic improvement at first. But later on when I drove around in the day, the car seemed to get faster and faster. I am a firm believer you can’t just get instant adaptation when changing tunes on this car.

It’s amazing how cheap it is to get this much horsepower. 40+ hp for $300-$400? I don’t know what Terry’s final pricing will be, but this is incredibly cheap compared to how
much it would cost to get this instant much HP gain on previous vehicles that I have modded. Perhaps with 93 octane or better, the increases would be even more.

After Installing Nitto NT555R Drag Radials: 51F 91 Octane Shell. 01/03/09

Run#1 12.9 @ 108.2 mph (2.0 sec 60’ time)
0-60 mph: 4.4 seconds, 0-100 mph: 11.0 seconds.

Run#2 12.9 @ 108.2 mph (1.9 sec 60’ time)
0-60 mph: 4.4 seconds, 0-100 mph: 11.1 seconds.

Run#3 12.8 @ 109.5 mph (1.9 sec 60’ time)
0-60 mph: 4.3 seconds, 0-100 mph: 10.7 seconds.

Run#4 12.8 @ 108.8 mph (1.9 sec 60’ time)
0-60 mph: 4.3 seconds, 0-100 mph: 10.8 seconds.

Added 1 gallon of 100 octane to 3 gallons of 91 octane. ~93-95 octane.

Run#1 12.9 @ 110.1 mph (2.0 sec 60’ time)
0-60 mph: 4.4 seconds, 0-100 mph: 10.8 seconds. (Excessive Wheel Spin)

Run#2 12.7 @ 110.6 mph (1.9 sec 60’ time)
0-60 mph: 4.3 seconds, 0-100 mph: 10.4 seconds.

Run#3 12.7 @ 110.6 mph (1.9 sec 60’ time)
0-60mph: 4.2 seconds, 0-100 mph: 10.5 seconds.


Edit: 08/16/09 (at 2800 miles)

60F, Shell 91 Octane, Besides JB+, Bone Stock including stock 18” Run Flats

Run#1 13.0 @ 109.6mph (2.0 sec 60’ time)
0-60mph: 4.5 seconds, 0-100 mph: 10.8 seconds

Run#2 12.9 @ 109.6 mph (2.0 sec 60’ time)
0-60mph: 4.5 seconds, 0-100 mph: 10.8 seconds

Run#3 13.1 @ 109.7 mph (2.1 sec 60’ time) bad launch
0-60mph: 4.6 seconds, 0-100 mph: 11.0 seconds

[gaifaun]

nice numbers hotrod! i wish i had a Vbox to see what numbers im laying down.

is your E90 auto? and are you running at 50%? in those tests?

[e92bmw]

Impressive numbers hotrod! I remember you getting to 60mph in 3.9 in one of your youtube videos, thats insane! Let me ask you something do you think launching in 2ns gear(6at) is bad for the transmission because I remember you used to do that and then in another video you had transmission failures Anyways Im just curious if theres a link?
Thanks

[zerep1]

he sprayed the car watch his 60-130 in 6.9 seconds video he was pushing the limits of the transmission

[e92bmw]

Ya I know he used to run a 28 dry shot, but maybe the 2nd gear launches also hurt the tranny?? Idk

[Rotary Rasp]

0-60 in 4.5 seconds is nuts for a bone stock with with just a tune.

[marv85]

Originally Posted by Rotary Rasp

0-60 in 4.5 seconds is nuts for a bone stock with with just a tune.

I agree... My car is still bone stock and I got 5s 0-60 (Measured by GTech PRO SS, the one that uses GPS). Granted my tires sucked pretty bad... But still i think could have done it in ~4.9s.
Reducing 0-60 by 0.4s is crazy! you need a lot more power and a LOOT more grip.

[stressdoc]

Of course 0 - 100mph and 1/4 mile times are better indicators of power. That said, my guesstimates for 0-60mph (good traction, 93 octane, conservative launch, ± .2 secs):

Stock original progman: 4.9
Neutered wastegate rattle progman: 5.1
JB+ 50% (on later progman versions): 4.8
Procede V5/JB4 (conservative traction mods: LSD, nonrfts): 4.3
Procede V5/JB4 (traction mods, conservative engine mods: DPs, FMIC, intake, ...): 4.1
Procede V5/JB4 (full boat including meth): 3.8

Yes this is supercar territory. In a family sedan. And with appropriate suspension mods and weight reduction, the handling to go with it. If you are stingy with OEM options and got yours via ED, then your supercar w/ mods cost <50k.

[FDfranklin]

Originally Posted by gaifaun

nice numbers hotrod! i wish i had a Vbox to see what numbers im laying down.

is your E90 auto? and are you running at 50%? in those tests?

Where can you purchase a vbox?

[STICKY335]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

It all depends on traction/tires for good 0-60 times. However here is my test results with the JB+ installed.

Testing JB+ on 08 335I Sedan.

Did some baseline tests on the new 335I sedan. As the car is still pretty new (148 miles), it is still fairly tight, and the numbers are not that great, but still in the ball-park. In my past experience the cars seem to perform quite a bit better once they have about 7000 miles on them, with traps a good 1-1.5mph better than when they are brand new. The car is totally stock, 91 octane, with no optimization done at all for good ¼ mile Ets. Stock RFTs set at 36psi.

The totally stock runs: Near sea level, 52F. 91 Octane Shell. 01/01/08

Run#1 13.5 @ 103.1mph (2.0 sec 60’ time)

Run #2 13.5 @ 103.6 mph. (2.0 sec 60’ time.)
0-60mph: 4.9 seconds, 0-100mph: 12.5 seconds

Run#3 13.5 @ 103.6mph (2.0 sec 60’ time) Identical Times!
0-60 mph: 4.9 seconds 0-100 mph: 12.5 seconds.

AFTER INSTALLING JB+. 50F, 91 Octane Shell. Same day, same test section.


Run#1 13.2 @ 108.1 mph (2.1 sec 60’ time). More wheelspin!
0-60mph 4.7 seconds, 0-100mph: 11.4 seconds.

Run#2 13.1 @ 108.1 mph (2.0 sec 60’ time).
0-60 mph: 4.6 seconds, 0-100 mph: 11.2 seconds. (over a second quicker than stock)

Run#3 13.1 @ 108.0 mph (2.0 sec 60’ time)
0-60 mph: 4.6 seconds, 0-100 mph: 11.2 seconds.

So with better traction, (lower tire pressure or after market tires), and more adaptation, this would be capable of hitting the 12’s without a doubt. And once the car has a few more miles on it, that alone might do it.

Pretty impressive for a non-intrusive plug-in solution. And with a solid 4.5mph gain, that would equate to about a 40-45hp gain. And this is just a preliminary Beta unit with more user adjustable features planned in the future. Terry says this particular unit is on the lowest 91 octane setting.

FYI: I didn’t notice a drastic improvement at first. But later on when I drove around in the day, the car seemed to get faster and faster. I am a firm believer you can’t just get instant adaptation when changing tunes on this car.

It’s amazing how cheap it is to get this much horsepower. 40+ hp for $300-$400? I don’t know what Terry’s final pricing will be, but this is incredibly cheap compared to how
much it would cost to get this instant much HP gain on previous vehicles that I have modded. Perhaps with 93 octane or better, the increases would be even more.

After Installing Nitto NT555R Drag Radials: 51F 91 Octane Shell. 01/03/09

Run#1 12.9 @ 108.2 mph (2.0 sec 60’ time)
0-60 mph: 4.4 seconds, 0-100 mph: 11.0 seconds.

Run#2 12.9 @ 108.2 mph (1.9 sec 60’ time)
0-60 mph: 4.4 seconds, 0-100 mph: 11.1 seconds.

Run#3 12.8 @ 109.5 mph (1.9 sec 60’ time)
0-60 mph: 4.3 seconds, 0-100 mph: 10.7 seconds.

Run#4 12.8 @ 108.8 mph (1.9 sec 60’ time)
0-60 mph: 4.3 seconds, 0-100 mph: 10.8 seconds.

Added 1 gallon of 100 octane to 3 gallons of 91 octane. ~93-95 octane.

Run#1 12.9 @ 110.1 mph (2.0 sec 60’ time)
0-60 mph: 4.4 seconds, 0-100 mph: 10.8 seconds. (Excessive Wheel Spin)

Run#2 12.7 @ 110.6 mph (1.9 sec 60’ time)
0-60 mph: 4.3 seconds, 0-100 mph: 10.4 seconds.

Run#3 12.7 @ 110.6 mph (1.9 sec 60’ time)
0-60mph: 4.2 seconds, 0-100 mph: 10.5 seconds.


Edit: 08/16/09 (at 2800 miles)

60F, Shell 91 Octane, Besides JB+, Bone Stock including stock 18” Run Flats

Run#1 13.0 @ 109.6mph (2.0 sec 60’ time)
0-60mph: 4.5 seconds, 0-100 mph: 10.8 seconds

Run#2 12.9 @ 109.6 mph (2.0 sec 60’ time)
0-60mph: 4.5 seconds, 0-100 mph: 10.8 seconds

Run#3 13.1 @ 109.7 mph (2.1 sec 60’ time) bad launch
0-60mph: 4.6 seconds, 0-100 mph: 11.0 seconds

Great numbers #^^

[Charleston335]

Crazy the JB+ is running just as fast as times as say a Cobb tune...

[e92stance]

Damn thats on the JB+ on only 50%?? Anybody here running 75 or higher with no other mods? I was thinking of doing this but did not want to do the bypass mod... any people in here that did that??

[e92bmw]

Originally Posted by e92stance

Damn thats on the JB+ on only 50%?? Anybody here running 75 or higher with no other mods? I was thinking of doing this but did not want to do the bypass mod... any people in here that did that??

I personally wouldnt recomend it over 50%, at that point you should get a tune(the jb+ isnt a tune it just tricks the car into giving more boost) because a tune such as procede or jb3/4 will remap the fuel the boost and a lot of other paraeters whereas the jb raises boost and relies on the ecu to make up for an increase in boost which is ok but not more than 50%

[michaelalex17]

does anyone have an actual comparison?

[Joshboody]

I LOVE all hotrods numbers. if you do a search, you can find differences in mods, weather, different cars (2 335s), etc. great info and fun to compare.

Any tickets when testing? you must have the best test road with no worries of police.

[e92bmw]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

It all depends on traction/tires for good 0-60 times. However here is my test results with the JB+ installed.

Testing JB+ on 08 335I Sedan.

Did some baseline tests on the new 335I sedan. As the car is still pretty new (148 miles), it is still fairly tight, and the numbers are not that great, but still in the ball-park. In my past experience the cars seem to perform quite a bit better once they have about 7000 miles on them, with traps a good 1-1.5mph better than when they are brand new. The car is totally stock, 91 octane, with no optimization done at all for good ¼ mile Ets. Stock RFTs set at 36psi.

The totally stock runs: Near sea level, 52F. 91 Octane Shell. 01/01/08

Run#1 13.5 @ 103.1mph (2.0 sec 60’ time)

Run #2 13.5 @ 103.6 mph. (2.0 sec 60’ time.)
0-60mph: 4.9 seconds, 0-100mph: 12.5 seconds

Run#3 13.5 @ 103.6mph (2.0 sec 60’ time) Identical Times!
0-60 mph: 4.9 seconds 0-100 mph: 12.5 seconds.

AFTER INSTALLING JB+. 50F, 91 Octane Shell. Same day, same test section.


Run#1 13.2 @ 108.1 mph (2.1 sec 60’ time). More wheelspin!
0-60mph 4.7 seconds, 0-100mph: 11.4 seconds.

Run#2 13.1 @ 108.1 mph (2.0 sec 60’ time).
0-60 mph: 4.6 seconds, 0-100 mph: 11.2 seconds. (over a second quicker than stock)

Run#3 13.1 @ 108.0 mph (2.0 sec 60’ time)
0-60 mph: 4.6 seconds, 0-100 mph: 11.2 seconds.

So with better traction, (lower tire pressure or after market tires), and more adaptation, this would be capable of hitting the 12’s without a doubt. And once the car has a few more miles on it, that alone might do it.

Pretty impressive for a non-intrusive plug-in solution. And with a solid 4.5mph gain, that would equate to about a 40-45hp gain. And this is just a preliminary Beta unit with more user adjustable features planned in the future. Terry says this particular unit is on the lowest 91 octane setting.

FYI: I didn’t notice a drastic improvement at first. But later on when I drove around in the day, the car seemed to get faster and faster. I am a firm believer you can’t just get instant adaptation when changing tunes on this car.

It’s amazing how cheap it is to get this much horsepower. 40+ hp for $300-$400? I don’t know what Terry’s final pricing will be, but this is incredibly cheap compared to how
much it would cost to get this instant much HP gain on previous vehicles that I have modded. Perhaps with 93 octane or better, the increases would be even more.

After Installing Nitto NT555R Drag Radials: 51F 91 Octane Shell. 01/03/09

Run#1 12.9 @ 108.2 mph (2.0 sec 60’ time)
0-60 mph: 4.4 seconds, 0-100 mph: 11.0 seconds.

Run#2 12.9 @ 108.2 mph (1.9 sec 60’ time)
0-60 mph: 4.4 seconds, 0-100 mph: 11.1 seconds.

Run#3 12.8 @ 109.5 mph (1.9 sec 60’ time)
0-60 mph: 4.3 seconds, 0-100 mph: 10.7 seconds.

Run#4 12.8 @ 108.8 mph (1.9 sec 60’ time)
0-60 mph: 4.3 seconds, 0-100 mph: 10.8 seconds.

Added 1 gallon of 100 octane to 3 gallons of 91 octane. ~93-95 octane.

Run#1 12.9 @ 110.1 mph (2.0 sec 60’ time)
0-60 mph: 4.4 seconds, 0-100 mph: 10.8 seconds. (Excessive Wheel Spin)

Run#2 12.7 @ 110.6 mph (1.9 sec 60’ time)
0-60 mph: 4.3 seconds, 0-100 mph: 10.4 seconds.

Run#3 12.7 @ 110.6 mph (1.9 sec 60’ time)
0-60mph: 4.2 seconds, 0-100 mph: 10.5 seconds.


Edit: 08/16/09 (at 2800 miles)

60F, Shell 91 Octane, Besides JB+, Bone Stock including stock 18” Run Flats

Run#1 13.0 @ 109.6mph (2.0 sec 60’ time)
0-60mph: 4.5 seconds, 0-100 mph: 10.8 seconds

Run#2 12.9 @ 109.6 mph (2.0 sec 60’ time)
0-60mph: 4.5 seconds, 0-100 mph: 10.8 seconds

Run#3 13.1 @ 109.7 mph (2.1 sec 60’ time) bad launch
0-60mph: 4.6 seconds, 0-100 mph: 11.0 seconds

Im jealous of your vbox! By the way hotrod you never answered my question, what happened to your tranny(In the video where it misshifted) Did you have to pay for it or did bmw cover it? And how much was it Im curious to see since I too ahve an auto and plan on boosting pretty high this summer.(If you do not want to post it please pm me

[El Duce]

Originally Posted by beemw

I personally wouldnt recomend it over 50%, at that point you should get a tune(the jb+ isnt a tune it just tricks the car into giving more boost) because a tune such as procede or jb3/4 will remap the fuel the boost and a lot of other paraeters whereas the jb raises boost and relies on the ecu to make up for an increase in boost which is ok but not more than 50%

Damn really? I was just going to run the JB+ at 100% with the cable. Why wouldn't you run it at more? It doesn't seem to me that BT would allow it to run at any level that would damage the engine.

Kind of newb here, so be gentle if these observations/questions are basic knowledge.

[michaelalex17]

i did a lot of research on that. and terry from burger motorsport and other people including Mike@n54tuning have confirmed to me that the jb+ is a low enough boost level that it is still a safe tune. "the jb+ is just as safe as the jb3" Terry from burger motorsports. he easily could have made more money buy telling me to buy a jb3 but he didnt.

[michaelalex17]

i really just wanna know two things for each tune.
HP/tq jb+ at 75%
0-60 jb+ at 75%

HP/tq jb3 map 5
0-60 jb3 map 5

[e92bmw]

Originally Posted by El Duce

Damn really? I was just going to run the JB+ at 100% with the cable. Why wouldn't you run it at more? It doesn't seem to me that BT would allow it to run at any level that would damage the engine.

Kind of newb here, so be gentle if these observations/questions are basic knowledge.

The jb+ is NOT a tune!
It simply plugs into the tmap sensor and tricks the ecu to give you a bit more boost which is fine but I wouldnt put it more than 50% since at that boost you need a tune capabke od remapping fuel, having safety features implemented(timimg etc)
I think the jb+ is good to plug in(takes 30 seconds) and get an extra 40hp but if you plan on running it more you should look into a tune(imo procede v5 is the best but thats my preference!)
Also you have to do the bypass at 100% otherwise your car will run like shit!
Btw I think bms will take back the jb and use that money towards a jb4( but I personally dont recomend the jb4, get another tune!)