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      02-05-2011, 07:15 AM   #1
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Anyone know who "Trier Germany" is?

As some of you may have noticed, he's taken a sudden interest in me for some reason. Since apparently sending my harassing messages here wasn't enough he's now spamming my email address to every spam site he can find. I'm going to collect all of this information and present it to the base legal office and OSI so I can press charges against him.

He's also created a new account, "poor sound quality", since "Trier Germany" was banned.

If anyone has any information on him it would be much appreciated.

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      02-15-2011, 02:36 PM   #2
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In case anyone was wondering, I figured out who he is. Apparently being a Senior Noncommissioned Officer doesn't mean what it used to. He also seems to have retired this past fall but being a U.S. citizen he's still subject to U.S. cyber-bullying laws.

This is gonna be fun.
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      02-23-2011, 11:38 AM   #3
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Heads up to M-Flight members - MSgt (Ret.) Chris Montoya, living on or around Spandahlem AB (Space Gray E90 M3), is NOT to be trusted. He's the tool that apparently lost his mind and started harassing me and using my home email address to sign up at adult websites and sending me emails directly. It probably won't do any good but I've forwarded everything I still have to SF Investigations and OSI at Spang. Being retired he is probably beyond the military's reach but I wanted to let all of you here to know not to deal with him and with the mods deletion of his harassing posts under both usernames I don't have much evidence anymore but I'm going to do what I can. I've already sent this information to his First Sergeant and Commander.

Since I started digging I've uncovered many members here that have had terrible dealings with him. Some trying to buy from, or sell to, him. Others have relayed stories of his behavior at the Nurburgring such as racing them directly, cutting them off, trying to push them off the track, etc. I don't know how many saw the post since the mods deleted is but he threatened violence against me if he saw me at the Ring and thought my age was funny considering my rank. It might have been funny if I'd come in when I was 18 and not 28.

Gotta love his SHINING example of a Senior Noncommissioned Officer. He makes me ashamed to be in the Air Force.

I would cut any and all ties with him if any of you are, or plan to, have any dealings with him and I would absolutely kick him out of the club and ban him from attending M-Flight events.

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      03-01-2011, 01:29 PM   #4
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Wow, that's pathetic.

Sorry for your problems, hopefully everything works out for you...
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      03-01-2011, 02:08 PM   #5
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don't know what you did to piss off Chris, but i've never had a problem with him and don't know anyone else that has. He even gave me a ride in his ///M around the ring the first day i met him. And he doesn't drive as crazy as you make him sound actually. I'd say that's pretty nice of him to give a complete stranger(granted we are both military and have mutual friends) a ride in your M when he didn't even know me.

Call me crazy, but i disagree with the accusations of his driving and behavior. Now, on the signing you up for porn...Yes, that WAS wrong and he should have handled the situation better and talked to you about whatever problem you 2 had.

Edit: I do hope everything works out for you though.
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      03-02-2011, 01:30 AM   #6
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Apparently me selling my M3 and deciding to buy an Audi was the problem. Well, as near as I can tell. He also seemed to take particular offense with me having a problem with the mileage and my monthly fuel costs. He sent me message, not PMs mind you so he could go back and delete them, telling me stuff like I wasn't worthy, that I couldn't afford it, that I should be driving an Audi because they're for losers and it suited me better.

What was odd was that it came out of the blue. I'd never had ANY interactions with him. I don't know that I ever met him at a meet, I never sent him any messages, nothing.

The accusations of his driving and behavior are coming from other members here. I got MULTIPLE PMs from different members about it. The physical threats came directly from him. Him taking a stab at my age/rank was in a post he made with the username he created after his original was banned. He was banned, by the way, because he had been harassing a number of people, not just me, from what I was told by the mods.

Honestly, I have a feeling he's bipolar and he's either undiagnosed or off his meds. Either way, I don't care. I asked him more than once what his problem was with me and he always responded with more insults. At this point I'm letting the authorities deal with him. If the info I got was correct, his behavior could possibly affect his retirement status and pay/benefits. I hope it was worth it for him.
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      03-02-2011, 08:29 AM   #7
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That sounds pretty crazy. I've met him once too, it was last fall going to GP track at Nurburgring. He seemed cool and I would never suspect that he would do something childlish like talk shit on the message board. Maybe someone hacked his account.
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That sounds pretty crazy. I've met him once too, it was last fall going to GP track at Nurburgring. He seemed cool and I would never suspect that he would do something childlish like talk shit on the message board. Maybe someone hacked his account.
agreed here. In all honesty that sounds odd(i'm not saying it didn't happen). The account being hacked does make sense tho.
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      03-02-2011, 10:41 AM   #9
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If it had only happened once I'd agree. However, the messages happened 3 times and when I responded he never acted or said anything about the messages not being from him and they were spaced way too far out for him
not to have noticed. Plus, and this is just me, but if I got banned because someone hacked my account I'd get with the mods and get everything sorted out, not waiting months and then start harassing people again within days of being reinstated. Maybe he's a true keyboard commando, I don't know, but lord knows he had enough chances to let me know if it wasn't him.

Then, creating a new account (with the same IP address no less) just to come back with more crap talking after his first username being banned permanently speaks volumes to me.

Obviously he had made a decent impression on some people, and I admit I may have met him and he was fine but I truly don't know, but his actions went too far.

I forgot to mention that someone in his area tried to hack my email and Facebook accounts. I'm guessing it was an attempt to delete the emails he sent me from an email address he created just to harass me. That email address also had the same IP address as the usernames he used here.

So, as you can see I didn't take these actions or come to this conclusion on a whim. I still don't think me selling my M was that bug a deal but I guess he did. Nevertheless, he dug his grave. Now he has to lay in it.
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That sounds pretty crazy. I've met him once too, it was last fall going to GP track at Nurburgring. He seemed cool and I would never suspect that he would do something childlish like talk shit on the message board. Maybe someone hacked his account.
I was there that day too. That was the day it rained and someone hit the wall on the Nordshleife, right? I barely talked to anyone the entire time so I couldn't possibly have offended him then. Other than that, I don't know that I've ever even spoken to him.

If someone hacked his account they went through an awful lot of trouble and he's not done anything to clear his name.
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Wow! Hopefully you won´t let what one person does affect your vıew on the Aır Force. You get bad apples no matter where you work. I especıally hope thıs doesn´t jade your vıew on SNCO´as a whole. I´ve been on actıve duty for over 20 years and have seen lots of people do nutty thıngs.
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Nah, I'm over it. It's out of my hands now and I'm done with it.

I'm already 8 years in and decided before I enlisted I was going to be a lifer. My dad was a SNCO and my two goals were to outrank him and make Chief. I didn't fight for almost 10 years to get in (yes, I actually had to fight to get in, it's a long story) to have it ruined by some random guy.

I appreciate the support. Now back to studying! The 14th is fast approaching.
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Nah, I'm over it. It's out of my hands now and I'm done with it.

I'm already 8 years in and decided before I enlisted I was going to be a lifer. My dad was a SNCO and my two goals were to outrank him and make Chief. I didn't fight for almost 10 years to get in (yes, I actually had to fight to get in, it's a long story) to have it ruined by some random guy.

I appreciate the support. Now back to studying! The 14th is fast approaching.
Good luck. Yep, after 20 years I guess I wıll stıck ıt out too I gotta start hıttıng the PDG soon too.
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Good luck. Yep, after 20 years I guess I wıll stıck ıt out too I gotta start hıttıng the PDG soon too.
Sometimes I wish we did it like the Army. You show the ability and once you hit your TIG, BOOM! I HATE reading the PDG.
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Sometimes I wish we did it like the Army. You show the ability and once you hit your TIG, BOOM! I HATE reading the PDG.
I know what you mean, I dıd a lot of tıme wıth them at JSOC at Ft Bragg. They seem to get promoted very quıcky to E-7...but they can lose ıt quıckly too. Besıdes, the AF qualıty of lıfe tends to be a bıt better.

I do wısh we dıd our PT test lıke the Army. In order to stay Aırborne qualıfıed I had to do the Army PT test quarterly...a much better system IMO.
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I know what you mean, I dıd a lot of tıme wıth them at JSOC at Ft Bragg. They seem to get promoted very quıcky to E-7...but they can lose ıt quıckly too. Besıdes, the AF qualıty of lıfe tends to be a bıt better.

I do wısh we dıd our PT test lıke the Army. In order to stay Aırborne qualıfıed I had to do the Army PT test quarterly...a much better system IMO.
Oh I hear that! TBH, I think if people could have stripes taken away that easily it might help with some of the boneheaded crap we have going on. Most of my kids just don't care about paperwork anymore since unless you're using it to boot them out they don't see the negative...until you give them a 3 or a 4 on their EPR. Then they complain that's personal or they place race or gender cards. Being a minority myself that irritates the living crap out of me.

Agreed about the PT stuff. I used to be at a unit where we basically said "screw the reg" and went out every M-W-F and did out warm-up, stretch, push-ups, sit-ups, and a 5K. We did mock PT tests every quarter as well. It was boring and repetitive but it worked. I would LOVE it if we got to do obstacle courses and what-not more often. I figure if we're going to augment the Army we might as well train like them.
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Oh I hear that! TBH, I think if people could have stripes taken away that easily it might help with some of the boneheaded crap we have going on. Most of my kids just don't care about paperwork anymore since unless you're using it to boot them out they don't see the negative...until you give them a 3 or a 4 on their EPR. Then they complain that's personal or they place race or gender cards. Being a minority myself that irritates the living crap out of me.

Agreed about the PT stuff. I used to be at a unit where we basically said "screw the reg" and went out every M-W-F and did out warm-up, stretch, push-ups, sit-ups, and a 5K. We did mock PT tests every quarter as well. It was boring and repetitive but it worked. I would LOVE it if we got to do obstacle courses and what-not more often. I figure if we're going to augment the Army we might as well train like them.
That is one reason I'm hoping I make Chief this year. I would like to be able to implement a lot of changes in regards the the EPR/discipline system in my unit. I'm tired of seeing people take the lazy way out and not follow the proper procedures for discipline...really angers me sometimes.

PT is a sore spot with me. I spent most of my career in special ops, so PT is a big part of my daily routine. I shouldn't be lapping the younger airmen in the 1.5 mile run. Oh well...no need for me to get all fired up now...especially on a car website
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Good luck! I agree, PT needs an overhaul.
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Oops, just saw your reply Donovan. As you noticed, I didn't make it. I'm still waiting on my Audi to show and to be honest, I don't know that I'm going to make it out to any more meets. Kinda weird showing up to an M meet in an Audi, ya know?
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