Carmakers challenging EPA re: ethanol

BimmerPod · 12-20-2010, 02:27 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...ol-in-gas.html

Let's hope this goes somewhere... but don't hold your breath

cssnms · 12-20-2010, 02:40 PM

good luck,,, the agricultural/corn lobbying groups are a very powerful organization, which are the only ones that stand to benefit from e10 or e15. It's a ruse under the guise that ethanol gas is somehow good for the environment.

The marine outboard industry has been battling the ethanol issue since day one and look what that got them --- the introduction of e15 which cannot be used in any boat engine made today.

Blubaron79 · 12-20-2010, 04:35 PM

Waiting for a moron conservative to blame it on Obama....

Priority 1 · 12-20-2010, 05:05 PM

no we'll blame it on gore

MKR_DmD · 12-20-2010, 05:08 PM

More ethanal means more power, E85 is a wonderful thing if you tune your car for it. I know when I had my Evo, E85 was the thing to have because it was eqiuvalant to 110 leaded gas. Only problme is your car burns it a lot faster. I believe it was 1.4 gallons of E85 to equal 1 gallon of unleaded.

D.B.S · 12-20-2010, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DrivinMissDaisy

More ethanal means more power, E85 is a wonderful thing if you tune your car for it. I know when I had my Evo, E85 was the thing to have because it was eqiuvalant to 110 leaded gas. Only problme is your car burns it a lot faster. I believe it was 1.4 gallons of E85 to equal 1 gallon of unleaded.

Do you realize how much it's going to cost the manufacturer's (not just BMW) to tune their cars to run on E15, let alone E85... This is going to play havok on our BMW's and we the consumers are going to have to pay the price.

I get it, I understand we are trying to limit our dependency on middle east oil, but ethanol is not the answer. When more cars die on the side of the road because of the higher contents of ethanol, what is the epa going to say? Oh well, not their dime...

LeifW · 12-20-2010, 08:55 PM

I hope they're successful.

Leif W.

WinoGregorio · 12-20-2010, 11:19 PM

Obama, Bush, Gore....does it matter? They are all to blame.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...ies-a-mistake/

VTECaddict · 12-20-2010, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DrivinMissDaisy

More ethanal means more power, E85 is a wonderful thing if you tune your car for it. I know when I had my Evo, E85 was the thing to have because it was eqiuvalant to 110 leaded gas. Only problme is your car burns it a lot faster. I believe it was 1.4 gallons of E85 to equal 1 gallon of unleaded.

Ethanol has a higher octane rating than gasoline, so it allows for more aggressive tuning on E85. But like you said, ethanol actually has a LOWER energy content than gasoline, so you need to burn more ethanol to produce the same amount of power.

BimmerPod · 12-20-2010, 11:30 PM

While BMW hasn't made the official statement that more ethanol is bad, they have stated it in other ways. HPFP failures not being covered by warranty due to too high of ethanol content found in the gas tank is one example.

It's not just our cars. Manufacturers in general are against this because they know that the additional warranty work that will arise from increased ethanol will cut into their bottom line. It's all about the bottom line. We'll see whose is bigger, car industry or Big Ag ($$$ to the politicians)

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BimmerPod Private First Class 26 Rep 144 Posts Drives: e92 335i, f85 x5m Join Date: May 2009 Location: lost iTrader: (0)	While BMW hasn't made the official statement that more ethanol is bad, they have stated it in other ways. HPFP failures not being covered by warranty due to too high of ethanol content found in the gas tank is one example. It's not just our cars. Manufacturers in general are against this because they know that the additional warranty work that will arise from increased ethanol will cut into their bottom line. It's all about the bottom line. We'll see whose is bigger, car industry or Big Ag ($$$ to the politicians)
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