[turbosc297]

Hey all!
I found a 2009 335i at a reputable local dealer today.
Here's the scoop. It's got sport package, ZF trans, anti-theft, black on black, 8700 miles...
dealer's price: $28,995, NADA value with clean title 39k

Its a CA lemon car. I viewed the records, and sure enough it's the HPFP


What do you think I could realisticly sell my 2006 6-spd 330xi for? It has sport, prem, and cold weather packages, logic 7, adaptive xenons, etc etc... everything except idrive/nav (preferred anyway)
54k miles. EVERYTHING works flawlessly!


Does the 50k BMW warranty still take effect when the car is a lemon?
Does the 100k mile HPFP replacement warranty still take place on a lemon?

Thank you to anyone can answer my questions!

[reign528]

lmaooo 8700 not 87000 oh wow i read that wrong. Its a lemon because the HPFP failed 3 times or more which in CA makes it a lemon.. DO IT!!! HPFP is covered till 120,000 miles or 10 yrs. Shouldnt be a problem. Any wastegate issues?

[07E92TT]

Originally Posted by turbosc297

Hey all!
I found a 2009 335i at a reputable local dealer today.
Here's the scoop. It's got sport package, ZF trans, anti-theft, black on black, 8700 miles...
dealer's price: $28,995, NADA value with clean title 39k

Its a CA lemon car. I viewed the records, and sure enough it's the HPFP


What do you think I could realisticly sell my 2006 6-spd 330xi for? It has sport, prem, and cold weather packages, logic 7, adaptive xenons, etc etc... everything except idrive/nav (preferred anyway)
54k miles. EVERYTHING works flawlessly!


Does the 50k BMW warranty still take effect when the car is a lemon?
Does the 100k mile HPFP replacement warranty still take place on a lemon?

Thank you to anyone can answer my questions!

Yeah thats a hell of a deal. And you've got PLENTY of warranty left (yes both warranties are still in affect). I say go for it. You could probably get 20 for yours.

[ZuerstBMW]

I dont know if I would trade in a flawless car for a lemon.

[ChasVS]

Originally Posted by ZuerstBMW

I dont know if I would trade in a flawless car for a lemon.

It's NOT a lemon. It was replaced under the CA Lemon Law which is NOT the same thing. With the Recall coming and Software/HPFP replacements you'll be good to go!

Your current ride is a valuable vehicle so don't let them low-ball you!

[K1W1]

Originally Posted by 07E92TT

Yeah thats a hell of a deal. And you've got PLENTY of warranty left (yes both warranties are still in affect). I say go for it. You could probably get 20 for yours.

I agree around $20k would be doing well.

[TheRox]

Originally Posted by turbosc297

Hey all!
I found a 2009 335i at a reputable local dealer today.
Here's the scoop. It's got sport package, ZF trans, anti-theft, black on black, 8700 miles...
dealer's price: $28,995, NADA value with clean title 39k

Its a CA lemon car. I viewed the records, and sure enough it's the HPFP


What do you think I could realisticly sell my 2006 6-spd 330xi for? It has sport, prem, and cold weather packages, logic 7, adaptive xenons, etc etc... everything except idrive/nav (preferred anyway)
54k miles. EVERYTHING works flawlessly!


Does the 50k BMW warranty still take effect when the car is a lemon?
Does the 100k mile HPFP replacement warranty still take place on a lemon?

Thank you to anyone can answer my questions!

Don't do it man...if your 330 is flawless...getting a lemon car is asking for it


It says HPFP...how do you know it wasn't other things? You're gonna trust the dealer on a used car?

330 is a fine car with a naturally aspirated engine if you're into 6 mT...i wouldnt' do it.

[psre08]

... and quite honestly imho you'll rarely get to truly experience the difference in power between the 330 and the 335. Between red lights, it's more about the driver than the car when specs are so close. Just get an intake and exhaust for some additional growl. Handling is pretty much the same.

Although if you want the 335 just for having the 335, dual exhaust, etc etc, then go for it.

[BTM]

Originally Posted by TheRox

It says HPFP...how do you know it wasn't other things? You're gonna trust the dealer on a used car?

He viewed the records and confirmed it was HPFP. If there were numerous other issues with the car (injectors, wastegate, etc) I'd be hesitant - the impending recall, at this point, does not guarantee a solution to the pump.

I'd get it inspected, but if the only thing wrong is HPFP I'd be very tempted. It's up to you, that's a great price. The warranties are still 100% intact (factory and fuel pump), lemoning a car does not void either.

To clarify - the 50k 4 yr warranty does not "restart" - calculate 4 years from the car's in service date and that's when it expires if you haven't already hit 50k.

The HPFP warranty is 10yrs from the in service date or 120k, not 100k

[SpmnE9zero]

This scenario is kinda like skydiving:
You really wanna do it cause it is adventurous and looks like a hell of a lot of fun, but at the end of the day most people do not do it because of the dangers behind jumping out of a "perfectly good airplane"! (your car would be the airplane here)
Those of you who do go skydiving really enjoy it and love it, but those who have had issues with their shoot opening.... well...... they prolly wished they hadnt jumped!

Your shoot may open 9 out of 10 times, but that tenth time may really hurt (wallet)!

I still wanna go skydiving!

[blimey]

Why fix if it ain't broken... Keep the 330xi

Even though the HPFP is now covered for 10 years/120k miles for the 2007-2010 models, there might be some other stuff to worry about too, such as the turbos, fuel injectors, wastegate, etc.

Your 330i is also a true gem. So if I were you, I would just keep it. Nothing beats the smoothness of BMW NA's engine.

[J02 335i]

Originally Posted by psre08

... and quite honestly imho you'll rarely get to truly experience the difference in power between the 330 and the 335. Between red lights, it's more about the driver than the car when specs are so close. Just get an intake and exhaust for some additional growl. Handling is pretty much the same.

Although if you want the 335 just for having the 335, dual exhaust, etc etc, then go for it.

I'm sorry, but the specs are so close? You haven't driven a 335i have you?

[dre_2ooo]

Don't do it. I have driven several 335s and they don't *feel* any faster than my 330. With exhaust/intake/chip, a 330 will have ~272hp (255-> 260/262/272) vs. 300hp on the 335.

Not to mention HPFP, wastegate, turbo problems, etc...

[turbosc297]

Yea the torque of the 335 is no joke!
I love my 330xi, its just that it would be nice to have a very low mileage car with a warranty. Kind of a peace-of-mind type thing.

335- PRO- low mileage, more power, lci, hell of a deal, warranty
CON- way less options, black, CA lemon car

330- PRO- every option besides nav, runs great, AWD for winter, perfect color combo
CON- AWD, high mileage, no warranty, pre-lci

This is tearing me apart!
Thanks for all of the thoughts on this guys

Jason

[BenTrovato]

Originally Posted by dre_2ooo

Don't do it. I have driven several 335s and they don't *feel* any faster than my 330. With exhaust/intake/chip, a 330 will have ~272hp (255-> 260/262/272) vs. 300hp on the 335.

Not to mention HPFP, wastegate, turbo problems, etc...

That's psychotic. The 335 feels much faster.

Anyway... It's an incredible deal, and I would see if I could get even more off the price. I'm always concerned over cars that BMW passes on... every BMW dealership had the opportunity to bid on the vehicle if its been lemoned and after they all passed, the local dealers bid on it.

It's a tricky situation, but if there is a recall coming, you're taking a risk that could go very well for you, or you could be replacing the HPFP 3 times a year! Good luck with your decision.

[ragingclue]

I wouldn't do it personally. One of the things I've noticed is that the fueling problems seem to be continuous on certain cars, probably due to BMW not knowing what's causing the issue in the first place. I have more doubts every day that the actual pump is the root of the problem.

If you don't mind going in for service often, get the 335. If that's something that would bother you, don't buy a 335 that has been lemoned already for fueling woes.

[bimmer_335]

Originally Posted by ChasVS

It's NOT a lemon. It was replaced under the CA Lemon Law which is NOT the same thing. With the Recall coming and Software/HPFP replacements you'll be good to go!

Your current ride is a valuable vehicle so don't let them low-ball you!

Not sure how you come to the conclusion if its not a lemon. Just take a look at the title and you'd know.

OP: dont get carried away here... you need to call BMW with the vin# and ask if HPFP 120k warranty and standard 4 year/50k warranties apply. Chances are slim... thats why BMW lemon'd it and sold it on a used car auction. If they were intact BMW would sell it as CPO and earn a premium. Plus I'd not pay $28k for a lemon... may be half the NADA if that... do your homework!!!

[michaelthepsycho]

Originally Posted by bimmer_335

Not sure how you come to the conclusion if its not a lemon. Just take a look at the title and you'd know.

OP: dont get carried away here... you need to call BMW with the vin# and ask if HPFP 120k warranty and standard 4 year/50k warranties apply. Chances are slim... thats why BMW lemon'd it and sold it on a used car auction. If they were intact BMW would sell it as CPO and earn a premium. Plus I'd not pay $28k for a lemon... may be half the NADA if that... do your homework!!!

Lemon is automatically less than half in my book. Unless you're a habitual car-builder, I wouldn't dare touch a lemon. If it was a lemon in CA that means it's either had four fix attempts of the HPFP or 30 days in the repair shop.

[1997gtx]

Aren't you some day going to re-sell the car? Don't forget that if you do, the lemon will have a MUCH lower resell value.

[J02 335i]

Originally Posted by dre_2ooo

Don't do it. I have driven several 335s and they don't *feel* any faster than my 330. With exhaust/intake/chip, a 330 will have ~272hp (255-> 260/262/272) vs. 300hp on the 335.

Not to mention HPFP, wastegate, turbo problems, etc...

[Php]

Originally Posted by blimey

Why fix if it ain't broken... Keep the 330xi

yea, it's a hard pick as that IS one hell of a deal....but, I would still lean towards keeping the flawless 330xi...