[Presidio335xi]

Hello Everyone,

I have done some research on SP, CM and the Vishnu's system, but since I am not so tech savy I was hoping for some of your opinions. Is a getting a system with two meth bungs really worth it? Nozzel size? Etc.

I go to the 1/4 mile strip maybe 2-4 times a year, but love back country driving and generally like driving fast.

I have V4 autotune, AR DPs, ETS IC, STETT CAI and a STETT charge pipe with DVs.

Thanks in advance.

[R1000K3]

There is really no reason to run more than one nozzle until you begin to use nitrous oxide.

[Jonny550]

If you have a Procede and want something that is intergrated into the tune get the Labonte kit.

If you dont car and just want to run a basic kit look into Devils own or Labonte. To be honest some people say they like a 1 bung setup with an m10 nozzle and some say the dual is better its your own preference.

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by R1000K3

There is really no reason to run more than one nozzle until you begin to use nitrous oxide.

+1 Since you have Procede tune, I would suggest getting the Vishnu kit or just order the injection parts used from Lebontemotorsports...


BTW R1000k3...Shiv stated next update is for us! Lets hope so and wait and see!

[R1000K3]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

+1 Since you have Procede tune, I would suggest getting the Vishnu kit or just order the injection parts used from Lebontemotorsports...


BTW R1000k3...Shiv stated next update is for us! Lets hope so and wait and see!

Yes I've seen it has been stated, good work by Vishnu with adapted user interface for N20 etc. One must be fully aware the N20 is a high risk scenario though. The cylinder pressure will be higher at 500+ whp than 400+ whp w/o N20 even if lower boost is used. On the plus side is that we will use a lot of meth to support the nitrous, which is not normally done by N20 guys using a wet system. We will get a higher resulting octane and a lower combustion temperature than in a conventional solution.

But in the light of the recent two N54 failures I've decided to stay on the low side on N20 nozzle, not more than a 0.028 or so, and be very restrictive in the use of it. It would have been nice if thousands of N54 already was used without problems with N20 so we will take some real risks being ahead and needs to be aware of this. I trust the Procede though that makes me running 20 PSI every day while other tunes may or may not have caused engine damages at lower boost. It may sound crazy to run 20 PSI as I do now, but if the enegine cant take this is cannot take 500 whp N20 power, so I'm not worried at the moment.

The possibility to control ignition timing is imperative as I see it on high hp-levels, especially when using N20. I have never seen a race car with N20 that is not using a timing retard, and they have learned to used this in order to not get buckets of burnt pistons every season.

Shiv may want to chime in and make some wise comments on N20 risk levels ?

[xquizitdjx]

I've been looking into meth kits for my e92 equipped pr0cede but I think the pricing is way over inflated on most kits put together for our cars. I dont care for how I have no idea what comes with the Vishnu Meth kit. All i see on there site is a price & a order button with no details of what $875 gets me. Most other kits are $350-$600 but no clue if they work with the pr0cede but should be adaptable to the pr0cede features. I know the FULL VC-2 (VARI-COOL) METH KIT works great with the pr0cede and its $599.

[R1000K3]

There is a lo of info what's included in the Vishnu/Labonte kit.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ghlight=dalton

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=350377

I personally did chose the Coolingmist CMGS kit at the time since the price was much lower and the Labonte kit was not available for shipping. If you consider to buy a used CM system you need to check that the firmware is upgraded to the latest version to support meth flow signal to the Procede. I personally like the extra tank tray that is included with the Labonte kit better than the CM tank, but I'm using the windshield washer tank for a completely hidden install so it isn't then a factor.

It is good to be able to see the meth flow and possible warnings directly on the CM CMGS unit when it is mounted in a pod on dash. This is difficult to do with the VC-2, which is much larger and difficult so install nice and visible. I think there is a possibility to buy a flow meter directly from Labonte for the Vishnu meth kit.

I have to say I'm very pleased with the CM kit that I've been using for more than a year. The support from Dave at CM is also very good.

The plug-and-play solution by the Vishnu/Labonte kit is probably easier to install, so the decision depends a bit in how used you are to install stuff like this.

[Presidio335xi]

I don't mind an install challenge. I was thinking having a gauge would be beneficial. Assuming the CM system works with the V4 then I don't see the reason to buy the Vishnu setup for more money. right?

[R1000K3]

I thought the same and haven't regret my choice. If you want a meter on dash the CMGS is a must though, the VC-2 is not suitable for a visible install. I dont know the current price difference between a CM CMGS and the Vishnu/Labonte kit. If the difference is small it would be in favour for the Vishnu/Labonte kit since it is plug and play. On the other hand prices are always possible to negotiate so it can differ some from customer to customer.

[Brey335i]

I really haven't heard anything bad about the Devils Own or the kit Shiv sells

[xquizitdjx]

Thanks for the links R1000K3 to the Vishnu/Labonte kit on the forums. I was referring to the Vishnu site on the lack of information and contents. Those links you sent now show why the price is high on the Vishnu Meth Kit. They really offer allot to help keep going back to stock just in case you need to dealer your ride for a HPFP failure. I also like your idea of stealth install. Im not to sure if the dealer would have to take the front clip of the car off to do a HPFP repair. If they dont I am all about using the factory washer bottle and front pump bumper install.

[R1000K3]

OK, it is not difficult but as with any mods it is to be done at the users own risk. You should always take a possible collision in to consideration and protect the meth hoses etc. as much as possible. Here is my install http://s407.photobucket.com/albums/p...view=slideshow

After a couple of months the power dropped from well above 400 whp down to about 350 whp. This was caused by a transmission belt that cutted the FMIC exit hose.

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by R1000K3

Yes I've seen it has been stated, good work by Vishnu with adapted user interface for N20 etc. One must be fully aware the N20 is a high risk scenario though. The cylinder pressure will be higher at 500+ whp than 400+ whp w/o N20 even if lower boost is used. On the plus side is that we will use a lot of meth to support the nitrous, which is not normally done by N20 guys using a wet system. We will get a higher resulting octane and a lower combustion temperature than in a conventional solution.

But in the light of the recent two N54 failures I've decided to stay on the low side on N20 nozzle, not more than a 0.028 or so, and be very restrictive in the use of it. It would have been nice if thousands of N54 already was used without problems with N20 so we will take some real risks being ahead and needs to be aware of this. I trust the Procede though that makes me running 20 PSI every day while other tunes may or may not have caused engine damages at lower boost. It may sound crazy to run 20 PSI as I do now, but if the enegine cant take this is cannot take 500 whp N20 power, so I'm not worried at the moment.

The possibility to control ignition timing is imperative as I see it on high hp-levels, especially when using N20. I have never seen a race car with N20 that is not using a timing retard, and they have learned to used this in order to not get buckets of burnt pistons every season.

Shiv may want to chime in and make some wise comments on N20 risk levels ?

I agree that nitrous should be used SPARINGLY...I also agree that using nitrous for maximum gains is not the best idea, thats why I would use a jet as high as .21 the most...I am confident in what Shiv brings to the plate...Running 20 psi is a little bit out there but remember when you do use the nitrous Shiv recommends around 14-15 psi and I dont think spraying at 20psi is needed....I will have my boost set to around 14-15 for sure...Timing is crucial for sure and if I was using another tune, like I stated nitrous would not even be an option period..


To the OP...best kit for you is the Vishnu kit since your already using their tune why not use the kit they sell since its already pretty much plug and play

[Presidio335xi]

Since I have a STETT charge pipe with two meth bungs, I obviously don't need a meth elbow. But then does it matter that I am injecting closer to the engine?