[DaFish]

I have the Dinan stage 2 and I am about to come out of warrantee - at which time I would consider a piggy.

Has anybody made this switch?

I would love to hear the differences and what you need to get.

Is there anyone in Ontario - Toronto area - installing Procede/Meth ?

[dzenno]

Hey DaFish, I've got a Procede on my car and have installed/unistalled it at least 10 times so far, its not hard you could do it yourself just follow the video on youtube...

as for meth, I installed it for Irishace on this board...he's now running the fastest 135i in the world with that setup, never any issues...if you'd like I can get it installed for you but I'd charge...pm me for pricing...takes a full day depending on what car and where you'd like to mount it (trunk or windshield washer fluid tank)...Irishace has a 135i and I did a trunk mount install for him...i've got an E90 335i and I did a windshield washer fluid tank install for me...

this install isn't really hard either, it just takes a long time...lots of tubing and wires to run/splice/etc etc

[Irishace]

He does good work

If you want to swicth to a piggy you will need to reflash your ECU back to stock before you install the piggy. You really can't go wrong with either a PROcede or JB3.

[dzenno]

Bro, I'm going out to Cayuga tomorrow...didn't get that line lock yet from AR and they're unresponsive for days...not sure what's up

[Irishace]

Originally Posted by dzenno

Bro, I'm going out to Cayuga tomorrow...didn't get that line lock yet from AR and they're unresponsive for days...not sure what's up

Hey awesome, wish I could go. Just got back from the hospital today with my new baby girl so my drag racing this year is officially over.

Shoot Andrew a note to see what's up with that line lock. Good luck man, you should be running 11.7s with your trap speeds! May the force be with you on the launch.

[DaFish]

Originally Posted by dzenno

Hey DaFish, I've got a Procede on my car and have installed/unistalled it at least 10 times so far, its not hard you could do it yourself just follow the video on youtube...

as for meth, I installed it for Irishace on this board...he's now running the fastest 135i in the world with that setup, never any issues...if you'd like I can get it installed for you but I'd charge...pm me for pricing...takes a full day depending on what car and where you'd like to mount it (trunk or windshield washer fluid tank)...Irishace has a 135i and I did a trunk mount install for him...i've got an E90 335i and I did a windshield washer fluid tank install for me...

this install isn't really hard either, it just takes a long time...lots of tubing and wires to run/splice/etc etc

Thanks Man, I may take you up on that when the time comes.

My question is though, what is the difference in power going from Dinan S2 to Procede/Meth? I spent 2k on the Dinan and want to know what I need to spend to make it worth spending the extra cash.

You guys have spend a flippin fortune I think... wow those cars are fast... I should come and take a ride in one and it would probably blow my mind and I would fork out the cash immediately.

Berger Motor sports... did they do all the work? Good guys?

[Brey335i]

Originally Posted by DaFish

Thanks Man, I may take you up on that when the time comes.

My question is though, what is the difference in power going from Dinan S2 to Procede/Meth? I spent 2k on the Dinan and want to know what I need to spend to make it worth spending the extra cash.

You guys have spend a flippin fortune I think... wow those cars are fast... I should come and take a ride in one and it would probably blow my mind and I would fork out the cash immediately.

Berger Motor sports... did they do all the work? Good guys?

Burger Motorsports lol

I'm going from Dinan Stage II to a Procede... whole other ball game. You won't regret it

[Sniz]

I should have brought this thread up to Steve Dinan today. He was at a local Dinan dealer Atspeed Motorsports near me and had a really nice exotic/race car show.

Steve D showed up and gave a 'presentation' which basically consisted of him bragging about himself, then there was a question and answer which I found funny.

He claimed BMW solved the HPFP issue on the n55 by lowering the pressure compared to the n54, WRONG......they are failing too Steve.

answer to your question is, have you driven a procede v4 equipped car yet? I would do that 1st before forking out the cash, you already have a largish investment w Dinan.

Here he is:



and a few of the cars there:

[Irishace]

Originally Posted by DaFish

Berger Motor sports... did they do all the work? Good guys?

Burger Motorsports is the manufacturer of my tune (JB3) and my intake. Do some searching on this site for JB3 and Procede and you will find out some info.

Moving from Dinan Stage 2 to a PROcede is night and day. Dinan stage 2 is so far out of the PROcede's league its not even funny.

[DaFish]

Originally Posted by Brey335i

Burger Motorsports lol

I'm going from Dinan Stage II to a Procede... whole other ball game. You won't regret it

Hey Brey, when you do, let me know how it is. I would imagine you would need the suspension and LSD to go with that with the subframe.... or it will be squirrelly I bet.

The numbers are amazing though.... "Burger" site looks good. For 3 or 4 grand you could have a rocket..... intercooler, JB3, exhaust and DP... I will PM them for a quote. I don't think Dinan is putting anywhere near that power out, maybe 330 to the wheels (or less). Does anybody know what Dinan Stage 2 is to the wheels?

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Sniz

I should have brought this thread up to Steve Dinan today. He was at a local Dinan dealer Atspeed Motorsports near me and had a really nice exotic/race car show.

Steve D showed up and gave a 'presentation' which basically consisted of him bragging about himself, then there was a question and answer which I found funny.

He claimed BMW solved the HPFP issue on the n55 by lowering the pressure compared to the n54, WRONG......they are failing too Steve.

answer to your question is, have you driven a procede v4 equipped car yet? I would do that 1st before forking out the cash, you already have a largish investment w Dinan.

I would have loved to be in the audience for the presentation

DaFish- The Burger product is basically a boost controller, not a comprehensive engine tune. It increase boost pressure (somewhat erratically at that) unlike other tunes (Gaic, Dinan, CPE, Procede, etc,.) which offer better boost control and remap ignition advance as well. As a result, it will never make the same level of power as safely as the other options that can rightfully be called "tunes". But they are inexpensive which is why many people run it/have run it. Since you have the ability to start from scratch, do your research and find the tune option that best meets your needs AND conforms of basic engine practices.

Your current tune is perfectly sound if a bit too conservative for most users. There have been many people who have made the Dinan->Procede switch and have been happy with the results. As well as the new features provided (built-in boost/afr/meth gauges, autotuning, mapswtiching, etc,.).

If you need any help with regards to building a complete package (tune plus supporting mods), feel free to email us at sales@vishnutuning.com.

Regards,
Shiv

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by Irishace

Burger Motorsports is the manufacturer of my tune (JB3) and my intake. Do some searching on this site for JB3 and Procede and you will find out some info.

Moving from Dinan Stage 2 to a PROcede is night and day. Dinan stage 2 is so far out of the PROcede's league its not even funny.

Irishace, is there a reason you haven't tried the PROcede? (correct me if you have tried it before) With the 15 day return policy, I think everyone should give it a try. You seem intelligent and knowledgeable..and speaking positively of the Procede...yet still have the JB3.

Just curious if you have ever tried the procede...

[scottp999]

Originally Posted by Sniz

He claimed BMW solved the HPFP issue on the n55 by lowering the pressure compared to the n54, WRONG......they are failing too Steve.

Lowering the pressure + bigger flowing injectors, is what I heard him say at the end.

I think the injector changed at Jan 2009 for the N54, but I remember SIB 13 04 09 which said the improved part was for, "high pressure injector failure (leakage or incorrect spraying pattern), due to internal wear or unfavorable stack of tolerances", as well as, "injector tips are covered with a layer of carbon deposit".

No mention of the re-design to be able to flow more fuel to compensate for lower HPFP pressure?

N54 part numbers:
08 Injector 6 12/2008 13537565138 ENDED
08 Injector 6 13537585261 $309.66

The injector # on the N55 is different, so maybe the story of their failed attempt to correct the issue is accurate? He is very quick with his answers though...

N55 part # 13 - Injector 6 13537568607

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I would have loved to be in the audience for the presentation

DaFish- The Burger product is basically a boost controller, not a comprehensive engine tune. It increase boost pressure (somewhat erratically at that) unlike other tunes (Gaic, Dinan, CPE, Procede, etc,.) which offer better boost control and remap ignition advance as well. As a result, it will never make the same level of power as safely as the other options that can rightfully be called "tunes". But they are inexpensive which is why many people run it/have run it. Since you have the ability to start from scratch, do your research and find the tune option that best meets your needs AND conforms of basic engine practices.

Your current tune is perfectly sound if a bit too conservative for most users. There have been many people who have made the Dinan->Procede switch and have been happy with the results. As well as the new features provided (built-in boost/afr/meth gauges, autotuning, mapswtiching, etc,.).

If you need any help with regards to building a complete package (tune plus supporting mods), feel free to email us at sales@vishnutuning.com.

Regards,
Shiv

I would have paid to see that one......seriously. Listening to that man talk makes me want to run headfirst into a wall in hope of being knocked unconscious. Its the same sales pitch every time he's been there.

whats funny is a friend of mine who is one here has a Dinan stg II tune, once his warranty is up which is very soon he's going Procede. he was actually speaking with another 335 owner who was interested in a tune...even at a Dinan event of sorts the Procede was being pushed by a current Dinan customer.

The Dinan tune is fine and certainly sound, but not what a lot of people who are tuning their cars are looking for in the end.

[scottp999]

Originally Posted by Sniz

Listening to that man talk makes me want to run headfirst into a wall in hope of being knocked unconscious.

Agreed! When I have been in that shop waiting on work (and the shop guys do great work), the typical tune customer has no boost gauge, does not do any of their own maintenance, and has a tough time knowing if the tune is still working. In two visits there were 3 customers that wanted their DME read to see if the tune was still working. I told one of them about Rick's boost gauge and that they could tell if they floored it gettting on the highway. If a recommendation does not come from the Dinan dealer, it goes in the trash with most of the customers there.

[ar design]

Originally Posted by dzenno

Bro, I'm going out to Cayuga tomorrow...didn't get that line lock yet from AR and they're unresponsive for days...not sure what's up

Hey - been in and out of the office for a few days - did you email me?

[Irishace]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

Irishace, is there a reason you haven't tried the PROcede? (correct me if you have tried it before) With the 15 day return policy, I think everyone should give it a try. You seem intelligent and knowledgeable..and speaking positively of the Procede...yet still have the JB3.

Just curious if you have ever tried the procede...

I have not tried the PROcede and probably should try it but at this point I really have no reason to. I do very much understand the positives vs. the JB3 but I have had such a great experience with the tune and the support from Terry that I am very loyal to the Burger brand.

I also very much appreciate my proximity to Mike@N54tuning who has been a tremendous help for me personally. With the Gen 4 board imminent I feel that there is even less of a reason to try the PROcede.

I don't really get into the PROcede vs JB3 pissing contests on the forums because I know the merits of each product and have selected the one that is best for me.

That being said, I do have the fastest non-nitrous 135i on the planet so its pretty hard to argue with the results of the JB3 for me.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by DaFish

I have the Dinan stage 2 and I am about to come out of warrantee - at which time I would consider a piggy.

Has anybody made this switch?

I would love to hear the differences and what you need to get.

Is there anyone in Ontario - Toronto area - installing Procede/Meth ?

I have had 2-3 customers switch from Dinan to the JB3 and all are very happy with the switch. One of them got a refund from Dinan for the price of the flash but the others had to eat the cost unfortunately. I think its common feeling that the JB3 or PROcede are better then Dinan in terms of power delivery (especially top end) and overall modding enjoyment (and cost)

Mike

[cstavaru]

Originally Posted by DaFish

I have the Dinan stage 2 and I am about to come out of warrantee - at which time I would consider a piggy.

Why would you consider a piggy out of warranty ? Don't you want to minimize the risk of premature engine wearing / blowing so that you won't have to pay the repairs ? I would stick with Dinan Stage 2, maybe upgrade to Stage 3 or GIAC...much safer options when you are out of warranty.

[stratplaya06]

Originally Posted by cstavaru

Why would you consider a piggy out of warranty ? Don't you want to minimize the risk of premature engine wearing / blowing so that you won't have to pay the repairs ? I would stick with Dinan Stage 2, maybe upgrade to Stage 3 or GIAC...much safer options when you are out of warranty.

How is the GIAC safer than a procede if you cap boost at the same level for each tune? As far as I know the procede is probably even more accurate at boost targeting, and GIAC does not have the increased water pump speeds that Dinan swears is essential for tuning these cars.

[Calvin@Vishnu]

Originally Posted by cstavaru

Why would you consider a piggy out of warranty ? Don't you want to minimize the risk of premature engine wearing / blowing so that you won't have to pay the repairs ? I would stick with Dinan Stage 2, maybe upgrade to Stage 3 or GIAC...much safer options when you are out of warranty.

[Ilma]

Originally Posted by Irishace

I have not tried the PROcede and probably should try it but at this point I really have no reason to. I do very much understand the positives vs. the JB3 but I have had such a great experience with the tune and the support from Terry that I am very loyal to the Burger brand.

I also very much appreciate my proximity to Mike@N54tuning who has been a tremendous help for me personally. With the Gen 4 board imminent I feel that there is even less of a reason to try the PROcede.

I don't really get into the PROcede vs JB3 pissing contests on the forums because I know the merits of each product and have selected the one that is best for me.

That being said, I do have the fastest non-nitrous 135i on the planet so its pretty hard to argue with the results of the JB3 for me.

Nice response!