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[Norb]

Hey guys,

Are these Miro wheels on ebay same as VMR wheels 10" in rear called Ultra staggered?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/19-BM...item2c52c7f31c

VMR are out of stock with 10" so I just came across this ebay ad and wonder if they are the same?

Thanks


Regards // Norb

[SV Concepts III]

Hi Norb,

Miro does offer a CSL style wheel but it is not as concave as the VMRs and has a slightly different spoke design and finish.

[iBoost]

not the same.

[335iMIAMI]

Micro and VMR have similar looking wheels that both look like the csl rims. But they are not the same .

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by Norb

Hey guys,

Are these Miro wheels on ebay same as VMR wheels 10" in rear called Ultra staggered?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/19-BM...item2c52c7f31c

VMR are out of stock with 10" so I just came across this ebay ad and wonder if they are the same?

Thanks


Regards // Norb

Norb,

I can help with your questions:



Things to note:

1. VMR wheels have a longer spoke length than the Miros, which fork later to the outer ring. A longer spoke length gives a slimmer look.
2. Outer ring thickness is noticeably wider onthe VMRs compared to Miro.
3. The VMRs are not as deep lipped as the Miros, giving a truer look to the CSL design.
4. Spoke Angle (or "concavity" as others are calling it) is much more pronounced on the VMRs than the Miros, especially on M3 fitments.
5. VMR wheels are offered in 4 finishes (Silver, HyperBlack, Gunmetal and Matte Black). Miros are only offered in Silver.
6. VMR wheels are manufactured in a true 72.6mm centerbore, not requiring the use of hubcentric rings. Miros feature a larger bore and require a a ring (included) installed before mounting.
7. Miro "Tuning Fork" ends are spaced wider on Miros towards the ring portion than the VMR wheels, which are closer together.
8. Lug holes are spaced farther apart on VMRs from centerline. Miros intercept with trim ring on face of wheel.
9. Reputation: The VMRs have been on the market for quite some time now with a well-established reputation with those running the wheels.

The biggest factors are the spoke angle, thickness and lip depth. As for weights, here's a 19" VMR wheel on the scale:



Comparison is meant for informative purposes only, others can decide upon what direction they would like to go from here.

[JayReplay]

What other brand CSL are out there? I tend to see a lot of vendors selling on ebay and craigslist. All I know of are VMR, Miro, and Alufelgen.

[ackrepps]

What are the respective weights of the wheels?

[ALUFELGEN]

Originally Posted by J3Yer

What other brand CSL are out there? I tend to see a lot of vendors selling on ebay and craigslist. All I know of are VMR, Miro, and Alufelgen.

VMR, Miro and Alufelgen are the only CSL rep manufacturers that I know of. The comparison above shows the difference between the VMR and the Miro. Here is a comparison between the Alufelgen and the VMR.





The advantages of the Alufelgen CSL are:

1. The Alufelgen concavity reflects a nearly identical face as the OEM CSL.
2. The Alufelgen concavity measures at 6 cm from the center vs VMR at 5.5 cm.
3. The Alufelgen spoke profile is thicker and resembles the actual OEM CSL design.
4. As you see in the first picture, the Alufelgen CSL finish is rich Metallic Silver, as opposed to Hypersilver on the VMR, which is a closer match to the OEM finish.
5. The Alufelgen are powdercoated which is a more durable finish.
6. The Alufelgen wheel weights only 26.2lbs which is nearly half a pound ligther than the VMR.
7. The Alufelgen CSL are manufactured using Low-pressure casting which provides a wheel with significantly better properties than VMR's gravity cast method. Low-pressure casting means a stronger and more durable wheel.
8. The Alufelgen CSL front offsets are 19x8.5 ET35 vs VMR's 19x8.5 ET40 for a flush front fitment.

The biggest advantage of the Alufelgen are quality, reliability, strength, weight and fitment.

Based on tom @ eas post of VMR vs Miro and our Alufelgen vs VMR post you have a better perspective of what each brand offers and are able to make a better decision whatever your choice might be.