[salraf]

Alright...I have been wondering who the new e90 335 can take on...

I figure it will out do the is350 and new g35 so what about the next level?

M45/MB e500/545 ( I figure it cant compete with the new MB 550 or BME 550)

Any thoughts :rocks: are welcome...

[0700700]

it will take on an e500 without a problem... its the same bhp, and 400kg less..
The e550 will out gun it , the BMW 550i should be kinda equal, maybe the 335i would lose at high speeds 100mph+

[Pretender]

Originally Posted by 0700700

it will take on an e500 without a problem... its the same bhp, and 400kg less..
The e550 will out gun it , the BMW 550i should be kinda equal, maybe the 335i would lose at high speeds 100mph+

I doubt that the E550 will outrun the E92 335. Many tests showed that 0-60mph for E550 is 5.2-5.3s range while E335...you should know its performance.

[0700700]

Originally Posted by Pretender

I doubt that the E550 will outrun the E92 335. Many tests showed that 0-60mph for E550 is 5.2-5.3s range while E335...you should know its performance.

i know... but 540nm from a 5.5l V8 is just too much for the little coupe

[Pretender]

Originally Posted by 0700700

i know... but 540nm from a 5.5l V8 is just too much for the little coupe

I don't look at the spec. but the performance tests. How come does it take 5.2s to get an 540NM car to reach 60mph? The car is probably heavy like a tank. I still believe that the 335 will edge the e550 tho.

[0700700]

Originally Posted by Pretender

I don't look at the spec. but the performance tests. How come does it take 5.2s to get an 540NM car to reach 60mph? The car is probably heavy like a tank. I still believe that the 335 will edge the e550 tho.

yeah 1900kg ... ... it might edge it without DSC engaged. The merc ESP system will allow for the quickest possible start


plus Autocar (in the UK) tested the E550 at 5.1s from 0-62.5mph

[dencoop]

Car and Driver did a comparo with the E550,550i and M45 I think dont recall...but for this purpose3 I am pretty sure they got 0-60MPH on the E550 in 4.8 sec. that is exectly what the E90 335i did in another car and driver test....so 0-60 should be neck and neck....but wait get the Vishnu stage 1 package and for under $3k(Aprox.) you will take the V8 competetors without any issues

[meruyailir]

Can't wait for M3. Do you guys think BMW will make it faster than the M5?

[Greeney]

The new M3 could be dangerous!

[sdiver68]

I own an M45 Sport and I am willing to race but will lose to any well driven 335i, of that I have no doubt. Which is why I'm now back here deciding if and when to order my 335i (LSD? Dinan chip? Perhaps convertible? Price and seating of GT-R?)

I think it would be a drivers race versus the 550 and E550, equal drivers or repeated runs I still think the 335i wins (E550 would be the closest in a straight line, none would keep up on a road race course)

Now, if someone would offer a Supercharger for my M, than we would have a straight line race.

[Asiann]

Originally Posted by meruyailir

Can't wait for M3. Do you guys think BMW will make it faster than the M5?

Never! Why still thunder from the higher end sports car?

[Zshazz]

Originally Posted by Asiann

Never! Why still thunder from the higher end sports car?

The M5 is not a sports car. It's a grand tourer. The M3 is BMW's sports car. So the better question is, why have a grand tourer be faster than the sports car?

Like everyone has been saying, the M5 will probably have the M3 in 100+MPH range... but the M3 has got to be faster than the M5... there simply is no way to avoid it.

Picture it like this: The 335i has been getting 0-60 times of 5~ seconds (even the auto!). Now are you telling me the M3 with lower weight (b/c we know they'll use better materials), better traction (b/c it has an LSD which will be better for acceleration because it doesn't brake the wheels to stop them from spinning ... PLUS it'll have bigger tires), better transmission (there's no denying it, the SMG is better than a regular stick shift in speed), and 100 HP+ (It will be AT LEAST 400HP) won't get more than a half of a second better 0-60 time? It's INSANE to say this car won't be faster than the M5 0-60. It simply doesn't seem comprehendable to me that all these factors thrown in will not yield more than .5 seconds 0-60.

But what do I know... I'm just a mathematics major

Plus, we don't even need to go into handling ... we already know that the M3 is the star when it comes to handling.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by salraf

Alright...I have been wondering who the new e90 335 can take on...

I figure it will out do the is350 and new g35 so what about the next level?

M45/MB e500/545 ( I figure it cant compete with the new MB 550 or BME 550)

Any thoughts :rocks: are welcome...

The Infiniti M45 does 0-60 in 5.3 sec. according to Infiniti, but the car mags and real-world testing have seen the M45 do more like 5.5-5.7 sec., mainly due to it's 4,000 lb. weight. This car should not be a problem for the BMW 335i.

[SP330]

0-60 figures I've seen

M45=5.7-5.9

E550=4.8-5.3

550i=5.2-5.6

M45 vs. 335 a drivers race? try again more like the driver of the 335 will win without a doubt

The 550i will be a few car lengths behind or equal but past 100 that 4.8 will work its magic

The E550 and a 335 will be dead even or the nod going to the E550.

It has great gearing and more torque than the E60 M5 musters.

[OpenFlash]

Comparing 0-60mph is a pretty useless form of bench racing since, above a certain power output,it is largely dependant upon surface condition, tire pressures, gearing, driver, etc,.

0-60 tests become popular in the 80s when most "performance cars" did the run in 8 seconds. Now that today's cars performance cars are doing that in 1/2 that time, its becoming less and less useful to use the test as a useful benchmark. Arguing over 10ths of a second? Come on now. Average run to run variance can easily be 3/10ths of a second.

As for acceleration testing, 0-100mph would be far more telling. But it's not something that we are used to seeing.

just my 2c,
shiv

[Russellnyc]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Comparing 0-60mph is a pretty useless form of bench racing since, above a certain power output,it is largely dependant upon surface condition, tire pressures, gearing, driver, etc,.

0-60 tests become popular in the 80s when most "performance cars" did the run in 8 seconds. Now that today's cars performance cars are doing that in 1/2 that time, its becoming less and less useful to use the test as a useful benchmark. Arguing over 10ths of a second? Come on now. Average run to run variance can easily be 3/10ths of a second.

As for acceleration testing, 0-100mph would be far more telling. But it's not something that we are used to seeing.

just my 2c,
shiv

Well said. The standard deviation is getting too big as a percentage of the total.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Comparing 0-60mph is a pretty useless form of bench racing since, above a certain power output,it is largely dependant upon surface condition, tire pressures, gearing, driver, etc,.

0-60 tests become popular in the 80s when most "performance cars" did the run in 8 seconds. Now that today's cars performance cars are doing that in 1/2 that time, its becoming less and less useful to use the test as a useful benchmark. Arguing over 10ths of a second? Come on now. Average run to run variance can easily be 3/10ths of a second.

As for acceleration testing, 0-100mph would be far more telling. But it's not something that we are used to seeing.

just my 2c,
shiv

Yeah, plus I don't think auto mfgr's (legal depts anyway) would be too keen on basically promoting 0-100mph driving, since that would be at least 30mph over the state's legal hwy speed limit. However, it would be nice to start comparing 0-100mph runs, since the 0-60mph runs are now like less than 1 city block.

[heezyo2o]

Originally Posted by salraf

I figure it will out do the is350 and new g35 so what about the next level?

M45/MB e500/545 ( I figure it cant compete with the new MB 550 or BME 550)

Any thoughts :rocks: are welcome...

There's this thread. http://e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33221

There are willing 545/550 drivers, one of which also owns an IS350 that would like to find out the results firsthand.