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      04-25-2005, 07:28 PM   #1
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well... here comes the competition

Here are some pictures of the next Rs4. Basicly audis way of slapping the M3 down.

Audi has made Ss which are sales competitors to the M cars, but have never really cut the mustard on a performance level. But they would always have an RS car in their back pockets to really give a whopping. Well, they are back at it with their new RS4. I for one know that BMW has Audis RS cars whooped with the new line of cars, the V10 in the m5/m6 really is a technological feat for BMW and cant be matched by audi, tough luck The new BMW V8 for the M3 (which is rumored to be based on the BMW V10 of the M5) will be equally impressive, and in a somewhat restricted format (restricted is a bad word, lets just say it will have potential for a bit more .

Anyways, here are pix of the Audi RS4, looks nice, and you can bet it will go. BMW will have its answer out soon enough, and I'm confident for the E90 generation, BMW will answer LOUDLY, as opposed to the E46 generation where the RS cars seemed to just be stronger.











this car is said to ditch turbos like the standard S4 sibling has done, and use an uprated version of the 4.2l V8 engine. BMW should put out as much power in a smaller unit . The only downside is that this car looks to be coming out alot sooner then the M3, shame for BMW, lets hope BMW pulls something like release the M3 about 6 months after the coupe, accelerating the process a bit

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      04-25-2005, 07:43 PM   #2
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Competition is good.
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      04-25-2005, 08:01 PM   #3
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I think the RS4 is Audi's catch up to the E46 M3 and will give that car a run for it money but it won't touch the E90 M3
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      04-26-2005, 01:08 AM   #4
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I thought the S4 was the king of the hill in the Audi lineup , and that the RS4 was merely an A4 with the S4 body stuff? Maybe I have that confused with some other package Audi sells for the A4....
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      04-26-2005, 03:10 AM   #5
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I thought the S4 was the king of the hill in the Audi lineup , and that the RS4 was merely an A4 with the S4 body stuff? Maybe I have that confused with some other package Audi sells for the A4....
If I'm not mistaken, Audi heirarchy is as follows:

1) Regular model "A" designations
2) Sport model "S" designation
3) Racing model "RS" designation

Note, not all models exist in all three varieties.
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      04-26-2005, 04:42 AM   #6
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Take a look at the third picture...is that duct tape on the headlight unit coloured in blue? Is it the face lifted model? the rear lights look like the old style ones.

It does look very aggressive though, even with that big gob!
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      04-26-2005, 07:55 AM   #7
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The side gills on the front bumper is horrific!
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      04-26-2005, 10:56 AM   #8
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I'm sure that the RS4 is very powerful but I think that's kinda ugly. Based on the photoshopped M3's I've seen, that will look a ton better (and hopefully perform better too).
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      05-04-2005, 04:36 PM   #9
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Being a former Audi RS owner, they are aimed directly at the same people who will buy an M or an AMG. (Usually as second (practical) car for someone who already has a 911 GT3 or 911 TT).



The RS models (only ever have been 3 models until now) :
RS2 (2.2 inline 5cyl 20V Single Turbo - 315HP 410NM) aimed at E36 M3 EVO
RS4 (2.7 V6 30v biturbo - 380bhp) aimed at E46.
RS6 / Plus(4.2 V8 40v biturbo - 450bhp / 4.2 V8 40v biturbo - 480bhp) aimed at M5.

Only the RS6 is/was available as a Saloon.. the RS2 and 4 were only offered as Wagons. They always have Quattro 4WD and are always offered on limited production runs.

The new RS4 will, like the RS6, be available as a Saloon and Wagon and offer a 4.2 V8 40v Naturally Aspirated with 420 bhp. (So the E90 M3 will need to be a monster!).
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What about the Lexus IS 350 (and also 250, I guess) coming out? Any opinions. I really like to know what people on this forum think about the Japanese competition like the Infiniti GS35 sedan, the Acura TL, and now the new MY 2006 Lexus IS coming out.

I know this is a BMW forum, but the people that contribute here are thoughtful, knowledgeable, and mature enough to give a (relatively) unbiased opinion on the competitive value of these cars when you are trying to spend $33K-$38K on a vehicle in this class. I'm really interested to hear what people have to say.
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      05-04-2005, 04:49 PM   #11
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Based on what I've seen and read, I think the IS350 will be Lexus' big seller. The IS250 doesn't look as good as the 350 and will not be a threat to BMW. If I was going to buy one, I'd definitely get the 350.
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I've read that the Lexus will be available at the end of this year in Europe. IIRC Lexus officially launched the car at the Geneva motorshow in March/April...

I've not seen anything in EVO magazine (my usually subscription).. but it looks like it will be a fine car.

There is a lot of noise over here about it's proposed 2.2Litre diesel (A first for Lexus). It will come with 410NM of torque out of the box! (For comparison BMW's 2.0 Diesel has 340NM!)
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RS4 is way too expensive, and it's b.s. because that's the car the S4 should have been. The S4 is floaty and underpowered. It pushes around 500 more pounds than an M3 with just 1 more hp. It needed the extra hundred that the RS4 has just to keep up with the M3. Now, the RS4 will be a $65-$70k(USD) car that no one will buy. Just look at the hot sales numbers of the $90k RS6 (no avant in the US).
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RS4 is way too expensive, and it's b.s. because that's the car the S4 should have been. The S4 is floaty and underpowered. It pushes around 500 more pounds than an M3 with just 1 more hp. It needed the extra hundred that the RS4 has just to keep up with the M3. Now, the RS4 will be a $65-$70k(USD) car that no one will buy. Just look at the hot sales numbers of the $90k RS6 (no avant in the US).
I agree , though the OLD RS4 is a pretty interesting second-hand buy though and obviously being a turbo, responds well to tuning. It can also get it's power down very cleanly on account of 4WD.

But as for new car sales, I think that Cayenne Turbo have eaten in to them as well.

Last edited by MarkA; 05-05-2005 at 02:48 AM.. Reason: to show I was talking about the OLD RS4.. not the YET UNRELEASED new one!
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      05-04-2005, 05:15 PM   #15
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I was originally going to go for the 2006 IS350, but I opted for the E90 325i instead. The new Lexus really looks great, even though A LOT of people on different IS forums were complaining about how drastic the change was from the first generation IS300. I didn't go for the new IS because I too didn't think it was sporty enough. In my opinion, it looks like a mini GS.

I was really hoping Lexus would have kept a lot of the same lines as the old IS, but I think in a way, they basically took away every interesting aspect of the car that made it unique, such as the chronograph style dash, or (getting rid of the clear altezza lights was a good idea) but I really liked the round rear brake lights, and even the chrome ball shifter is gone now. People said the old IS looked like a Civic, but I really think the old IS really stood out from the rest and didn't look like any other on the road...period. Sure it was starting to show its age, but I think Lexus could have done a better transition between models.

The designers at Lexus took a more conservative direction in restyling the car, what I assume to be in the hope of attracting not only rich high school kids, but also young professionals and those right out of college, as well as those maybe in their 40s-50s? That's just a guess, but that's what a lot of different IS forums are saying.

I'll admit, a big reason why I didn't go for the IS is because I wanted a new sports sedan for the summer, and I didn't want to wait until the IS came out. I looked around and as soon as I saw the spy pics for the new BMW, it was love at first sight. I must say, though, Lexus did a fine job with the interior styling, especially with the DVD/Navi, but I went with BMW anyway.

My own personal experience with Lexus wasn't that great, either. I really wanted to buy a 2005 IS300 about this time last year, and they told me I couldn't get the DVD navi, and also I couldn't get the Sports package, either. They said the only way I could get it the way I wanted it was to order it directly from the factory. I waited nearly three months thinking my car was on order. When I finally did get to talk to the dealer, he said it couldn't be done, not even at the factory, and I should to go with what they had on the lot. I called around to nearly 10 different dealers and they all told me the same.

Let's just say I didn't have a problem in the world when I went to special order my E90. I'm not sure if anyone else had this problem with lexus, but that's just a story that happened to me.
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I agree , though the RS4 is a pretty interesting second-hand buy though and obviously being a turbo, responds well to tuning. It can also get it's power down very cleanly on account of 4WD.

But as for new car sales, I think that Cayenne Turbo have eaten in to them as well.
The RS4 is not a turbo, it's a high output NA 4.3L V8. It's the old version of the RS4 that is a turbo 2.7L V6. The real used buy is the older 2.7L S4. It's easily upgradeable beyond RS spec.
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The RS4 is not a turbo, it's a high output NA 4.3L V8. It's the old version of the RS4 that is a turbo 2.7L V6. The real used buy is the older 2.7L S4. It's easily upgradeable beyond RS spec.
Obviously I know that... since I posted the specs higher up the thread. I've also driven one... have you?.. I was actually talking about the older RS4!.. The power difference (and suspension, and interior, and ancillary gear) of the 2.7l RS4 versus that of a mere 2.7 S4 are rather huge.

Lets put it this way, here in Europe, an RS4 already has all the tuning stuff fitted.. it just needs a Miltek exhaust, intake and custom software work to get it way in the 500HP mark. The 2.7 S4 needs all that the RS4 has (i.e. turbos, intercoolers, cams, pistons, etc) to just meet what an RS4 has as standard. I don't know anyone here with an RS4 that's left it standard... Did you know that an RS4's body shell is actually wider than a S4? (Very different animals)
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      05-05-2005, 08:35 AM   #18
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I didn't see your first post. In America, you've got no choice. It's the S4 or nothing. They never imported the (old) RS4 to America.
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