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      11-24-2009, 02:14 PM   #1
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DCT or M-DCT option for the F10 550i?

Can anyone confirm or deny that a dual clutch transmission will be available on any F10 that is NOT the M5 ?????

After reading the details released today, it would appear that the 8spd automatic with a torque converter and the manual are the only 2 transmission options.

I was hoping for the CDT or M-DCT to be available for the new AWD 550i 4.4L turbo.

If not, I'll be buying the new S4/RS4 instead.
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Can anyone confirm or deny that a dual clutch transmission will be available on any F10 that is NOT the M5 ?????

After reading the details released today, it would appear that the 8spd automatic with a torque converter and the manual are the only 2 transmission options.

I was hoping for the CDT or M-DCT to be available for the new AWD 550i 4.4L turbo.

If not, I'll be buying the new S4/RS4 instead.
why buy the rs4 or s4 just go with the super awsome M3 sedan which has beaten the Rs4 in every comparison
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      11-24-2009, 02:28 PM   #3
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where did you see that the 550i would have awd?

still waiting to see what the RS5 looks like.
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      11-24-2009, 02:31 PM   #4
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where did you see that the 550i would have awd?

still waiting to see what the RS5 looks like.
I didn't read it anywhere yet.
I'm logging on here to get the facts.


I was hoping for both AWD and DCT to be optional on the F10 550i.
I NEED AWD and a DCT for my next car.
A V8 with forced induction would make me VERY happy as well.
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Porsche Panamera?
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      11-24-2009, 07:36 PM   #6
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Do you want the DCT for speed? I read in a few reports of the 5GT that the new 8-Speed is pretty fast as well. I know it won't be a DCT, but I'd say drive it before you make up your mind for the RS4.
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Dual clutch transmissions (DSG, DCT) offer better performance, better control, and better fuel mileage.
They are the ONLY option if you want the best...period.

I don't understand how someone can pay $50,000 or more for a car in 2009 and not DEMAND a dual clutch transmission.

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Porsche Panamera?
The Panamera Turbo is the best AWD performance sedan on the planet.
But, I don't want to spend $140,000 to be the guinea pig for a new model that may have a short life span now that VW has absorbed Porsche.
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      11-24-2009, 10:47 PM   #8
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... I don't want to spend $140,000 to be the guinea pig for a new model that may have a short life span now that VW has absorbed Porsche.
+1 amen.
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      11-25-2009, 12:26 AM   #9
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The Panamera Turbo is the best AWD performance sedan on the planet.
But, I don't want to spend $140,000 to be the guinea pig for a new model that may have a short life span now that VW has absorbed Porsche.
The Panamera 4S is AWD and DCT. It is also a lot cheaper than the Turbo.
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The Panamera 4S is AWD and DCT. It is also a lot cheaper than the Turbo.
True.
But, the NON-turbo Panamera 4s is not much faster than the $50,000 2010 Audi S4, and the S4 is a known quantity.

I would still prefer a F10 550xi with M-DCT and Xdrive to both because I know the 550xi will be MUCH cheaper than the Panamera turbo and I assume the BMW will be more reliable than an Audi.
All Audi owners have told me they have had poor reliability with their Audis.
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Dual clutch transmissions (DSG, DCT) offer better performance, better control, and better fuel mileage.
They are the ONLY option if you want the best...period.

I don't understand how someone can pay $50,000 or more for a car in 2009 and not DEMAND a dual clutch transmission.



The Panamera Turbo is the best AWD performance sedan on the planet.
But, I don't want to spend $140,000 to be the guinea pig for a new model that may have a short life span now that VW has absorbed Porsche.
+1. Smart!
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      11-26-2009, 11:33 PM   #12
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where did you see that the 550i would have awd?

still waiting to see what the RS5 looks like.
Just like the A/S5.
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      11-30-2009, 07:22 AM   #13
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Uhhh, OK, if you really need further explanation, I would like to see how the RS5 looks in terms of price and performance.
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I think the OP should buy the Audi.
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      12-04-2009, 08:49 AM   #15
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I think the OP should buy the Audi.
Why is that?

I want 4 doors, AWD, DSG, and M3 or M5 performance.
So, on paper, Audi comes close.
But, EVERY Audi owner I have ever met said the cars are UNRELIABLE.

A new 5 series with DCT and AWD is what I want because I ASSUME BMW has better reliability then Audi.
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      12-04-2009, 06:14 PM   #16
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Dual clutch transmissions (DSG, DCT) offer better performance, better control, and better fuel mileage.
They are the ONLY option if you want the best...period.

I don't understand how someone can pay $50,000 or more for a car in 2009 and not DEMAND a dual clutch transmission.



The Panamera Turbo is the best AWD performance sedan on the planet.
But, I don't want to spend $140,000 to be the guinea pig for a new model that may have a short life span now that VW has absorbed Porsche.
It's funny you say this because there was a big thread on the M3 forum about the demise of DCT because the auto tranny's are so good now. The ISF and AMG units are pretty close to being fullly locked other than at start up.
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Can anyone confirm or deny that a dual clutch transmission will be available on any F10 that is NOT the M5 ?????

After reading the details released today, it would appear that the 8spd automatic with a torque converter and the manual are the only 2 transmission options.

I was hoping for the CDT or M-DCT to be available for the new AWD 550i 4.4L turbo.

If not, I'll be buying the new S4/RS4 instead.
there is no RS4 anymore
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where did you see that the 550i would have awd?

still waiting to see what the RS5 looks like.
frankie d saw it
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      12-04-2009, 10:31 PM   #19
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Affirmative on the AWD for the 550i.

The following is from BMW release

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Powertrain: The essence of BMW EfficientDynamics.
The new 5 Series will be offered in the United States with a choice of three gasoline engines. At its introduction, the new 5 Series will be available as a 535i and 550i. The 528i and xDrive all-wheel drive variants of all three models will arrive later in the year.
Audi will just not cut it guys...................RS5 is a nice looking car but.........??
I think Frankie D is going 550i x drive. Stay out of my way..................
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It won't ever get the DCT gearbox but after driving the new 8sp auto in the 5GT I can say that you don't feel short changed by not having a DCT. Another thing, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the M5 got this 8sp auto instead of a DCT, it can cope easily with the torque and it's surprisingly quick at shifting gears.
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It won't ever get the DCT gearbox but after driving the new 8sp auto in the 5GT I can say that you don't feel short changed by not having a DCT. Another thing, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the M5 got this 8sp auto instead of a DCT, it can cope easily with the torque and it's surprisingly quick at shifting gears.
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With all due respect, please don't tell us that an automatic can compete with dual clutch transmission. That's ridiculous.
Anyone who has driven a DCT will tell you that it is the ONLY choice .

Furthermore, please don't say what BMW will or won't due unless you have a reliable source.

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It's funny you say this because there was a big thread on the M3 forum about the demise of DCT because the auto tranny's are so good now. The ISF and AMG units are pretty close to being fullly locked other than at start up.
True.
But after driving a DCT transmission, you'll find no auto can compete with it.
There is a reason there is no automatics in F1 and most new supercars are coming with dual clutch transmissions.

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there is no RS4 anymore
Everyone knows that.
But, a new RS4/RS5 is supposed to be on the way.
We'll see.
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      12-07-2009, 07:58 PM   #22
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It won't ever get the DCT gearbox but after driving the new 8sp auto in the 5GT I can say that you don't feel short changed by not having a DCT. Another thing, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the M5 got this 8sp auto instead of a DCT, it can cope easily with the torque and it's surprisingly quick at shifting gears.
Could not agree with you more! I bet you did not get to drive it yet with the sport auto option- includes the technically updated shifting mechanism like the current available option in the E60.

Hate to tell everyone that the 550i will not be getting the DCT. Especially in AWD form.

Building a DCT capable of handling the torque transfer is not cheap and something BMW will not be doing. The new sport autos shift as fast and can handle torque better.

There will be some more tricks in the sport autos that do everything the DCT can do.

Until you get to drive the new 8 speeds w/ sport auto I think a lot of you DCT fan boys should relax. There is a change coming and it is for the better.

Do not be surprised to see Porsche/VW lose the PDK in the future along with BMW....
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