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View Poll Results: Dinan or Procede? | |||
Dinan | 81 | 66.39% | |
Procede | 41 | 33.61% | |
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03-28-2008, 11:06 PM | #1 |
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Dinan vs. Procede?
What will everyone get and why? I am very torn between the two but leaning towards Dinan. I LOVE the fact that it is still under warranty, but who can ignore the power gains from vishnu?
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03-28-2008, 11:47 PM | #2 |
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It's going to be dinan for me
There is no such thing as free power.
It is my understanding that both products increase boost. most boost = more stress on the engine. More stress = larger chances of problems. I think both tunes are good and relatively safe. I fully recognize that using either tune increases my chance of engine failure. Therefore I chose to pay extra for the warranty (Dinan). It is also nice that my BMW dealer is a authorized Dinan dealer. If there is an issue BMW or Dinan will pay. I don’t have to deal with the vendor finger pointing game. I do think Procede is a good product, just no warranty
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03-29-2008, 12:44 AM | #4 |
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e90post seemed to be in love with Procede, but now people are having problems with it, and there have been a couple threads about people having their warranty voided because of it.
The other thing that bugs me is that Vishnu is always updated the thing with new software. This is admittedly a cool feature, but I just can't shake the feeling that they didn't get it right in the first place, and are just trying to figure it out. That said, I'm gonna put a Dinan chip in it at some point around August. The warranty you get with it is a big deal to me. |
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03-29-2008, 01:56 AM | #5 |
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Karma Probably the kids that try to tell people the Dinan warranty is fake. Procede and voided warranties, doesn't surprise me at all.
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03-29-2008, 08:15 AM | #6 |
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Good Poll!
Love the Dinan Warranty,. One thing that should be considered is the cost? (Also,..Im sure the people whose warranties got voided forgot to remove the Procede before they took it in for service,..otherwise,..it leaves no trace.?) $1295 Vishnu PROcede $1999 Dinan Dinan=$700 more (Thats alot) Does this change anyones mind?
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03-29-2008, 08:25 AM | #7 |
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I know this is Procede vs Dinan but how about JB2, No CELs etc good results anyone?
Can we add JB2xx ??? This will be my choice not the most aggressive but still good results, power and reliabilty. |
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03-29-2008, 08:51 AM | #8 |
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The few items that are really selling me on the Dinan tune is their ingenious programing that is designed to protect the engine and the turbos.
I had to quote the Dinan stie directly because this really does say it best: In an effort to more effectively control oil and water temperatures, the Dinan software actually increases water pump speeds as boost pressure increases. Boost Pressure Control. Increased boost pressure exceeds the turbochargers’ design limitations at higher rpm, potentially shortening their lifespan. Dinan addresses this issue by tapering the boost gradually at higher engine speeds. This approach also addresses the fact that with increased boost at higher rpm the turbocharger temperatures would exceed the intercooler’s ability to cool the intake charge, resulting in a loss of power and compromising the long-term durability of the engine. The tapered boost keeps temperatures within the design limitations so as to optimize output and ensure engine reliability with the added boost pressure. And as an added bonus: Top Speed Governor Removed. With Dinan’s software, the 135 will be capable of achieving its natural top speed as the governor has been removed. Procede cannot even touch these claims.
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03-29-2008, 09:23 AM | #9 | |
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Will removing the Vishnu code erase the recorded overboost? Vishnu does have a reputation of pushing the performance envelope at the expense of reliability. And if the motor blows, not sure I can expect much support from Procede. At least Dinan has put some $ on the line if their setup causes a failure. |
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03-29-2008, 09:42 AM | #11 | |
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Also procede WILL NOT VOID YOUR WARRANTY. Dealers can not void a warranty because of a modification. That is illegal. If the modification causes a problem then the dealer can deny the warranty claim for that ONE problem and they do not have to fix it. bottom line: If Procede, JB2 or the others break your engine you have to pay for it. If Dinan breaks your engine , Dinan pays for it. Messing with forced induction is not for the faint of heart. There is a reason that the factory leaves the extra ponies out of the stock tune. The largest reason with FI is long term reliability.
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The dealer may not void your car's warranty if they find that you have been using Procede/JuiceBox/SSTT, but they can refude to do the warranty work! |
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03-29-2008, 12:16 PM | #13 |
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I'm going with Procede, once they release v2.1. If not maybe Helix or JBX. At any rate, I will not go with Dinan.
Dinan: pay $700+ for less power? All you get get is a warranty that "may" protect you if something should fail. And yes, there are reports indicating that the Dinan warranty doesn't always work...people always seem to forget this. And if you're getting the Dinan tune, you have to stick with Dinan products or else they will void the warranty. So, I hope those getting Dinan don't think about getting downpipes, CAI, etc. |
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03-29-2008, 05:05 PM | #16 |
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I actually don't have much thought for Proceed. I like Active Autowerks. They seem to be a better BMW tuner. Having said that, I am most likely going with Dinan too. I will have to get into more specific detail when it becomes decision time. Like exactly what perameters are dealt with. Dinan discussed water pump and changes and tapering boost at high RPMs to save turbo speed. Stuff like that reassures me of reliability. If other tuners are just concerned with how high they can turn up the boost, I'll pass.
The other thing I do want to know about Dinan is upgrades. What if I put on an exhaust, can I get a different map, or is that only with a Dinan map? Just curious. I have no major plans for major modifications. A reliable, civil 380/420 is awesome to me. |
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03-29-2008, 08:29 PM | #17 |
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03-29-2008, 08:56 PM | #20 |
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Hands down worth the $700 is keeping my brand new warranty worth (depending on what happens) $5k+.
Two years from now I don't want something to fail and have to pay out of pocket because I chose to go for more power on a car that already is powerful enough! |
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03-29-2008, 08:59 PM | #21 |
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Between those two, Dinan hands down. Not that much more money, similar power, warranty, and hassle/trouble free. A lot of procede owners seem to have trouble, and I haven't been impressed by what I've seen of their customer service over on e90post.
Personally, I'll be using Helix. Power at least equal to anything out there, maps tuned for mods, or custom tuned for your car; ability to switch maps on the go via a switch, no reliability problems/limps, good customer service, very cheap, and they're a short drive from where I live. PS: If Dinan offers a competitively priced turbo upgrade, I'd probably go with them for the warranty, and ease of use.
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03-30-2008, 03:03 AM | #22 |
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I need more info...
From what I understand, the Vishnu system is a piggy-back, plug in module that does make any permanent mods under the hood or leave fault codes as footprints. It simply intercepts and modifies the messages from the BMW Black Box.
I'd like to know why the warranties were voided if the owners followed the instructions for stealth and removed the modules before the car was checked by a dealer. If the Vishnu system is undetectable then I'd go that way. However, if the dealers are figuring out the car's been chipped then Hello Mr. Dinan. Bimmernet |
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