ZSG transmission (dual clutch) apparently coming along great

E90Fleet · 05-15-2006, 11:40 AM

The bests contacts are hard to reach and they arnt allowed to divulge any complete information but

I hear the new Dual Clutch Transmission ( ZSG or whatever they decide to call it ) is comming along geat and "will blow away any of the other boxes out there "

He couldnt/wouldnt say when it will arrive, but said its in a very advanced stage of testing ( im hoping it comes out with the m Sport Pack in Europe )

Now again we wait

stressdoc · 05-15-2006, 11:45 AM

Awesome! What a match for the 335 torque curve!

MoreCowbell · 05-15-2006, 12:13 PM

How will this differ from a manual or the smg?

E90Fleet · 05-15-2006, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by gluck75

How will this differ from a manual or the smg?

Replaces SMG with a much faster Dual Clutch type system

noflash · 05-15-2006, 12:40 PM

It will have two clutches. One for gears 1-3-5 and one for gears 2-4-6, right?

As one gear lets out the next is engaged. It's s'posed to be much smoother shifting, yet not as sporty as the SMG.

I drove a Jetta TDI DSG this weekend. At low speeds 1-3 mph the tranny seemed to get a little confused as to whether it should be in gear or not. We didn't try any manual shifting. It certainly could be the best of both worlds though.

Looking forward to trying it in a bimmer.

noflash · 05-15-2006, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by E90Fleet

Replaces SMG with a much faster Dual Clutch type system

I was under the impression that it will not replace SMG in M cars. Do you know otherwise?

E90Fleet · 05-15-2006, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by noflash

I was under the impression that it will not replace SMG in M cars. Do you know otherwise?

Sorry, meant it replaces SMG in normal cars.

But the last time I got info I heard they hadnt yet decided what they would use in the M3. Both systems were apparently being tested side by side

noflash · 05-15-2006, 12:51 PM

ek9hatch00 · 05-15-2006, 12:52 PM

sounds like the same design as the tranny on the audi A3

vladinecko · 05-15-2006, 01:19 PM

they are long due for an SMG upgrade. i kind of thought that when they finally release something new, it will blow current competition away.

hector · 05-15-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by stressdoc

Awesome! What a match for the 335 torque curve!

yo doc, what tranny wouldn't be a match for peak torque from 1300 to 5000rpm?

ALPINE6SPD · 05-15-2006, 01:40 PM

I still prefer a manual transmission

noflash · 05-15-2006, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ALPINE6SPD

I still prefer a manual transmission

It is a manual.

RichReg · 05-15-2006, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ALPINE6SPD

I still prefer a manual transmission

I still prefer those boobies in your signature.

volsfan0911 · 05-15-2006, 09:54 PM

I've driven GTI's and A3's with both DSG and manuals. DSG is a great setup and at Audi's Streets of Tomorrow in Philly, I was able to hustle the DSG A3 around the course much faster & smoother than the stick. Having said that, the stick was a hell of a lot more fun for me and I'd get that just for the involvement factor. Although DSG doesn't have a torque converter, I'd still call it an "automatic" because it'll shift itself if you leave in Drive. It can also perfectly rev match every time, nail every downshift without blinking (6th to 2nd I think in around 0.9 seconds) and the upshifts are faster than you can think. Faster on the track, easier to live with in nasty traffic - there's a lot to like about it. Be interesting to see how BMW's version comes out. The Audi/VW setup is awfully good IMHO.

nyyankee · 05-15-2006, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by volsfan0911

the DSG A3 around the course much faster & smoother than the stick.

x2

stressdoc · 05-15-2006, 10:19 PM

What price perfection? The Audi DSG is $1500.

ward · 05-15-2006, 10:19 PM

I'd think about a transmission like this

fredtoo · 05-16-2006, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E90Fleet

The bests contacts are hard to reach and they arnt allowed to divulge any complete information but

I hear the new Dual Clutch Transmission ( ZSG or whatever they decide to call it ) is comming along geat and "will blow away any of the other boxes out there "

He couldnt/wouldnt say when it will arrive, but said its in a very advanced stage of testing ( im hoping it comes out with the m Sport Pack in Europe )

Now again we wait

Any idea if this trans uses a clutch pedal, or does the computer do all the thinking for you?

The issues that I hear about with Automanual transmissions (Maserati and Ferrari) is that they fry the clutch in stop and go driving, especially in hilly areas. Backing up, up a hill, is sure death for one.

The paddles on the steering wheel are cool and everything, but replacing the clutch at 12,000 miles would take the joy out of that real soon.

E90Fleet · 05-16-2006, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by fredtoo

Any idea if this trans uses a clutch pedal, or does the computer do all the thinking for you?

The issues that I hear about with Automanual transmissions (Maserati and Ferrari) is that they fry the clutch in stop and go driving, especially in hilly areas. Backing up, up a hill, is sure death for one.

The paddles on the steering wheel are cool and everything, but replacing the clutch at 12,000 miles would take the joy out of that real soon.

Only manuals have clutches.

never heard of any SMG's burning out their clutches from normal driving and know many manuals that have needed new clutches before they guys with SMG

MMVI · 05-16-2006, 08:36 AM

I've driven an Audi A3 3.2 S-line with DSG and the transmission was superb. This kind of system with paddle shift is the future. I cant wait.

If I am lucky enough to be able to move to a higher spec with my next car it will be a real challenge to decide whether to go 330 or stay with 325 and have the box.

No I've decided... The box wins... Now if I could just swing a 'Sport' too.

ALPINE6SPD · 05-16-2006, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noflash

It is a manual.

Ok I prefer a car with a third pedal for the clutch that I can manually operate. Is that better. BTW I like you wheels on your 325i.

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MMVI Lieutenant 79 Rep 449 Posts Drives: 4 something Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	I've driven an Audi A3 3.2 S-line with DSG and the transmission was superb. This kind of system with paddle shift is the future. I cant wait. If I am lucky enough to be able to move to a higher spec with my next car it will be a real challenge to decide whether to go 330 or stay with 325 and have the box. No I've decided... The box wins... Now if I could just swing a 'Sport' too.
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