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      01-07-2022, 08:01 AM   #1
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M5 CS - A Supercar In Disguise - Catchpole on Carfection

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      01-07-2022, 09:34 AM   #2
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great video, but...

But the CS isn't close to supercar levels.. let's stop the nonsense. lol
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      01-07-2022, 11:38 AM   #4
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You're missing the subtleties of his praiseful comments, Trevor. It's about the total package. It is indeed 'magic' how BMW's tuned this car. I still scratch my head every time I take it out. Not easy to make a car with such dynamics so enjoyable at two-tenths normal road driving. Far from perfect, of course. But for a $150k luxury sedan (cheap relative to many alternatives), it's just about as close as they come.
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great video, but...

But the CS isn't close to supercar levels.. let's stop the nonsense. lol
It has a high performance V8, ceramic brakes, carbon fibre panels, premium suspension components…. so it has a lot in common with exotic super cars. It just happens to have 4 doors.
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great video, but...

But the CS isn't close to supercar levels.. let's stop the nonsense. lol
It has a high performance V8, ceramic brakes, carbon fibre panels, premium suspension components…. so it has a lot in common with exotic super cars. It just happens to have 4 doors.
...and nearly +1,000 pounds.

It's performance is similar to an M8. I had one. Super boring and slow compared to real supercars.
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Just more astroturfing paid for by BMW. Wag the dog. Hype it. It worked.
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I think the CS badge finally means something, like catchpole said at the end of the video. The F82 M4 GTS was vastly misunderstood, depreciated alot, and people didn't buy them. This caused people to be upset at the price of the F80/F82 M3/M4 CS cars.

- Then the M2 CS came out, lots of negative perception about how it was so expensive and just some carbon bits. Its a huge leap on from the other M2s in my opinion, and its still impossible to convince an M2C owner of that.

- Now the M5 CS came out, and its a big leap on from a regular M5C (a larger leap then the M2/M3/M4 CS is on paper). I wish they made more of them so the markups didn't take hold.

The reality is, anyone with a CS badged BMW, you have an all time great car and just enjoy it hell out of it. Life is too short to worry about about depreciation and collectibility of sedans and coupes.

BMW makes the greatest cars in the world now, everyone else is playing for 2nd.
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...and nearly +1,000 pounds.

It's performance is similar to an M8. I had one. Super boring and slow compared to real supercars.

yeah.. imo the M5 is pretty numb in general. Digs are fun, but after that it's very...dull to me. Would never say it's a slouch or anything like that, and it is indeed very impressive for a 4000 pound car.

But supercar and M5 should NEVER be in the same sentence, ever.
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I think the CS badge finally means something, like catchpole said at the end of the video. The F82 M4 GTS was vastly misunderstood, depreciated alot, and people didn't buy them. This caused people to be upset at the price of the F80/F82 M3/M4 CS cars.

- Then the M2 CS came out, lots of negative perception about how it was so expensive and just some carbon bits. Its a huge leap on from the other M2s in my opinion, and its still impossible to convince an M2C owner of that.

- Now the M5 CS came out, and its a big leap on from a regular M5C (a larger leap then the M2/M3/M4 CS is on paper). I wish they made more of them so the markups didn't take hold.

The reality is, anyone with a CS badged BMW, you have an all time great car and just enjoy it hell out of it. Life is too short to worry about about depreciation and collectibility of sedans and coupes.

BMW makes the greatest cars in the world now, everyone else is playing for 2nd.



How is the CS a big leap from the Comp?

Easy, because you guys WANT IT TO BE...
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Yes, modern BMWs and most other cars today are numb. The M5 CS is not numb, and this is part of its allure.
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How is the CS a big leap from the Comp?

Easy, because you guys WANT IT TO BE...
I think the BMW fanboyism comes from the fact that you can use BMWs more easily. You can fit people in them, you can fit stuff in them, they blend in and don't look to showy. They are ultimately just cars, not sports cars.

So when BMW makes a regular car thats special, thats great, means they've made a usable car that is also super special and engaging to drive. This applies to Mercedes as well, and Audi (though Audi has rarely made a car thats as engaging to drive).

The CS cars (especially in the case of the M5 CS) you've taken cars that are great for their everyday drivability. That sucks, cause it creates a problem of do you use it or collect it. I'd rather this great steering and chassis dynamics just applied to the regular cars as well.
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Oh boy this thread is starting to attract some hate. It's like a reverse circle jerk. Not sure if there's a name for that. Outward triangle jerk? 🙄
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Love Henrys reviews. The M5 CS is a car that doesnt make a lot of sense on paper, but they nailed it. Most special car BMW has produced since the E9x M3.

Doesn't meet the criteria for a supercar in my opinion, even factoring in the performance. For it to qualify as a supercar it needs a sense of exotic, and a screaming ideally tuneful engine. Definitely the ultimate German bruiser though.
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...and nearly +1,000 pounds.

It's performance is similar to an M8. I had one. Super boring and slow compared to real supercars.

yeah.. imo the M5 is pretty numb in general. Digs are fun, but after that it's very...dull to me. Would never say it's a slouch or anything like that, and it is indeed very impressive for a 4000 pound car.

But supercar and M5 should NEVER be in the same sentence, ever.
I think you need to drive the M5 CS... tons of different people are saying its Mega good for what it is.

Evo car of the year beating out those supercars...













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This car is fantastic.
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...and nearly +1,000 pounds.

It's performance is similar to an M8. I had one. Super boring and slow compared to real supercars.
Yeah dude. Super boring, super slow. Super suck. Totally not a super car. Pfft!

I too now feel much important.
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You're missing the subtleties of his praiseful comments, Trevor. It's about the total package. It is indeed 'magic' how BMW's tuned this car. I still scratch my head every time I take it out. Not easy to make a car with such dynamics so enjoyable at two-tenths normal road driving. Far from perfect, of course. But for a $150k luxury sedan (cheap relative to many alternatives), it's just about as close as they come.
It is indeed about a total package. Well said. I would buy M5 CS instantly if a 4 door family sedan with near-super-car-qualities were on the shopping list.
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I think it is a very solid review. And, for those few people who continue to hate on the car, I am surprised how they are doing so without actually driving one first. But hey, everyone can be a keyboard warrior these days.

The reviews say that it is better all around than the M5 Comp, yet people who have never driven the CS claim that can't be possible. Sounds more like sour grapes than anything else.

Personally, I don't claim that it is better than the standard M5 or the Comp because I have had very little seat time in those cars. All I know is that I absolutely love my M5 CS. It is an all around fantastic performer.

I like how he compared it to the E39 M5. that was a great car and I absolutely loved it. The Madonna movie was just icing on the cake as well back then.

He is also right about the engine sound. It is just too quiet. I'm over 3,000 miles now and it has opened up a bit, but still leaves a lot to be desired.
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Yeah dude. Super boring, super slow. Super suck. Totally not a super car. Pfft!

I too now feel much important.




I can easily see who has never driven or owned a supercar...

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