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      12-30-2021, 12:17 PM   #1
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Car and Driver Tested Numbers: 2022 BMW M5CS. 0-60 mph in 2.6 sec!

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Most car companies are content with an ounce here and a gram there when they pull weight out of their cars. So when BMW announced that the new M5 CS would be 230 pounds lighter than the 4243-pound M5 Competition, we were skeptical. As bariatric physicians and our tech department are fond of saying, the scales don't lie. At the weigh-in, the CS registered 4096 pounds, or 147 pounds less than the Competition. Not quite the result promised, but still a big move in the right direction.

To drop those pounds, a carbon-fiber hood joins the standard M5's carbon-fiber roof, but the main weight loss comes from removing sound-deadening material and swapping the luxury-grade thrones for the lightweight racing-style front seats from the M3. BMW didn't pull out all the stuffing, though, as the CS remains placid, measuring a low 66 decibels at 70 mph, matching a 2018 M5 we tested on the same surface.

HIGHS: Less mass and more fun than any recent M5, still as refined as the standard M5.

To make the most of the lighter M5, BMW wrung 10 extra horsepower out of the Competition's twin-turbo 4.4-liter V-8. With 627 horsepower and 553 pound-feet of torque churning through a ZF eight-speed automatic transmission and all-wheel drive, the M5 CS posts a 2.6-second time to 60 mph and a quarter-mile speed of 130 mph in 10.6 seconds. The trans pops off shifts and shows its commitment in its most race-car-like mode as it slots itself into the right gear under braking to give you what you need for the corner.

Pirelli P Zero Corsa PZC4s are a no-cost option. Likely thanks to the Corsas, steering feedback is clearer and there's simply more of it. While the weight loss is excellent, it doesn't result in a completely different driving experience. We'd guess that fitting these aggressive tires to an M5 Competition and removing marzipan from your diet would likely have a similar effect. But you would miss out on the CS's revised dampers. Unlike in every M car we can recall, selecting the most aggressive damper setting, Sport Plus, doesn't turn the suspension to granite, and the ride quality remains appropriate for a sports sedan.

LOWS: The manual Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing exists.

On the skidpad, the CS delivered an easy and controllable 1.02 g, 0.05 more than the Competition. Combine the extra grip, the secure body control, and the enlivened steering, and you get a canyon-ripping sports sedan that will shrink most sports cars in its rearview mirror.

Perhaps you're wondering what CS stands for. Maybe it's Challenge Special or Calorie Suppression. What we know is that when BMW pulls weight out of a car and adds those letters, it will include a Customer Surcharge. At least your $143,995 covers all the Competition hardware and the M Driver's package that bumps up the top speed and comes with some driving lessons. That price is barely more than what you'll pay for a comparably equipped Competition, and the CS's tires and tuning make for a quicker, livelier, and more dialed-in M5.

C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 2.6 sec
100 mph: 6.2 sec
1/4-Mile: 10.6 sec @ 130 mph
150 mph: 15.5 sec
Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.2 sec.
Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 3.8 sec
Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 12.5 sec
Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 2.5 sec
Top Speed (mfr's claim): 190 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 150 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 294 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 1.02 g

C/D FUEL ECONOMY
Observed: 18 mpg
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I know it's with rollout, but 2.6 is wild

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Shouldn't surprise anyone as to why Tesla chases 0-60 times with the Model S. The CS is about so much more than 0-60, but the 0-60 times and the Youtube drag races videos are absolutely the reason the car went from "readily available at MSRP" to "huge mark-up rarity" so quickly.
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Kind of good comparison between M8 Competition and M5 CS:
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It is interesting how European magazines and reviewers can't levy enough praise on the car, but the U.S. mags and reviewers are so tepid on it. Both Car and Driver and Road and Track were "meh" on the car, Jason Cammisa said "i should have a smile on my face while i'm driving this, and i don't", and the Straight Pipes guys were a bit iffy on it as Jacob said "an M2 CS was still way better than this".

Obviously there have been over the the top US reviews in some case, but generally its been tepid like this C&D article. Jethro Bovington from Evo/Top Gear USA pointed this out on twitter as well.

It would be good to hear from some M5 CS owners on why this may be the case, what is getting lost in translation and why some US mags don't see such a big difference between the M5C and the CS.
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It would be good to hear from some M5 CS owners
I am still waiting for a detailed review of the M5 CS by actual owners on this board
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It is interesting how European magazines and reviewers can't levy enough praise on the car, but the U.S. mags and reviewers are so tepid on it. Both Car and Driver and Road and Track were "meh" on the car, Jason Cammisa said "i should have a smile on my face while i'm driving this, and i don't", and the Straight Pipes guys were a bit iffy on it as Jacob said "an M2 CS was still way better than this".

Obviously there have been over the the top US reviews in some case, but generally its been tepid like this C&D article. Jethro Bovington from Evo/Top Gear USA pointed this out on twitter as well.

It would be good to hear from some M5 CS owners on why this may be the case, what is getting lost in translation and why some US mags don't see such a big difference between the M5C and the CS.
Jason Cammisa seems to argue that going for outright power and speed is a losing game - the Plaid and all future EV performance models will destroy any stock ICE car. Thus manufacturers should focus more on the intangibles that can't be read on paper but has to be felt - emotional response drawn from a sweet sounding engine or the dynamic feel a certain car gives you.

Personally, I love my F90 and can't say a single bad thing about it since it's "perfect" as a car. I don't want an imperfect car for the sake of creating some buzzword nonsense about emotion.

Some reviewers seem to lean heavily on cars with "character flaws" as being a personality, i.e. Hellcats with traction issues are rowdy and fun even though they don't get anywhere burning rubber. Or the CT5VBW bringing a manual transmission (and look past the dowdy interior on a $80-100k car).

I've had Porsches that were considered God's gift to men and I genuinely loved driving them BUT I feel the F90 is much more well rounded at half the price!
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I am still waiting for a detailed review of the M5 CS by actual owners on this board
I know its markedly different already, cause we went through these same arguments on here between M2 CS owners and M2C/M2 owners. I owned both, and the CS felt like a much different car cause the improved steering, better manual gear shift, and ride quality which resulted in a different driving experience in all facets. Might have been mainly software, but that didn't really matter because it felt very different to me as a driver.

But i also know as an M2 CS owner why people may have sold their cars or why people might say its nothing special (its quiet, the engine note isn't super special, unless you are pushing it, it can feel ordinary, clutch is overly light, etc etc ). I can give an objective review of the car as an owner after 3000+ miles.

Would be good to get an M5 CS owner to do something similar, cause i don't think there is a review like that. I do remember Dale Dallas Quaife (who had bought one in the UK) posted to instagram that he sold his and alluded that it didn't meet what he needed.
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It is interesting how European magazines and reviewers can't levy enough praise on the car, but the U.S. mags and reviewers are so tepid on it.
Although they didn't talk about it in the text, they did call out the fact that the CT5-V Blackwing exists (albeit in minuscule quantities) as a demerit. I'm not sure whether they're suggesting it's a superior car -- comparo would be great -- or just the fact that it offers a stick. (Hate Cadillac all you want, but I give them credit for doing this in 2022.)
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It is interesting how European magazines and reviewers can't levy enough praise on the car, but the U.S. mags and reviewers are so tepid on it. Both Car and Driver and Road and Track were "meh" on the car, Jason Cammisa said "i should have a smile on my face while i'm driving this, and i don't", and the Straight Pipes guys were a bit iffy on it as Jacob said "an M2 CS was still way better than this".

Obviously there have been over the the top US reviews in some case, but generally its been tepid like this C&D article. Jethro Bovington from Evo/Top Gear USA pointed this out on twitter as well.

It would be good to hear from some M5 CS owners on why this may be the case, what is getting lost in translation and why some US mags don't see such a big difference between the M5C and the CS.
US enthusiasts apparently only accept RWD cars with manual transmission. This is why the US press loves the Blackwings so much more. Things like all-weather practicality, interior quality, luxury features, and even clear performance advantage of the M5 CS do not play any apparent role in their judgement.
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2.6? That's some awesome engineering. Faster than some super cars. I remember when 12s in 1/4 was considered fast.
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hmm M8 and CS are very close.....
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It would be good to hear from some M5 CS owners
I am still waiting for a detailed review of the M5 CS by actual owners on this board
There are a bunch in the M5 general forums
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It would be good to hear from some M5 CS owners
I am still waiting for a detailed review of the M5 CS by actual owners on this board
I don't own one, but did bring one along for a ride with my G80 and an M2 CS. The M5 was the best of the bunch, in my eyes.

https://machineswithsouls.com/2021/1...0-m3-vs-m5-cs/
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Thats crazy that you can get a mid 10 sec stock car. I had to throw a supercharger and FBO on my w204 to get close to those times. Just insane to see how fast cars have become.
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It would be good to hear from some M5 CS owners
I am still waiting for a detailed review of the M5 CS by actual owners on this board
I don't own one, but did bring one along for a ride with my G80 and an M2 CS. The M5 was the best of the bunch, in my eyes.

https://machineswithsouls.com/2021/1...0-m3-vs-m5-cs/
I expect we'll get a comparo feature of the M2 CS and M5 CS by EVO in the next couple issues. Last two car of the years by the same manufacturer and they have a lot of content to fill with so many new cars delayed (Emira, 296 GTB, Arturo, Valkyrie, Project One, all delayed).
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US enthusiasts apparently only accept RWD cars with manual transmission. This is why the US press loves the Blackwings so much more. Things like all-weather practicality, interior quality, luxury features, and even clear performance advantage of the M5 CS do not play any apparent role in their judgement.
Clear performance advantage….hmm. I guess if straight line performance is all that matters, which is why everyone used to dismiss the Domestics as true performance cars.

The BMW M5 CS — with Randy Pobst at the wheel — set the lap record at Willow Springs International Raceway, with a time of 1:28.76. However, that record only stood for a few minutes, as Pobst then immediately beat the M5 CS’ record with the Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing, with a lap of 1:28.07. And it did it with a manual transmission and rear-wheel drive. Looks like we’ve got a proper rivalry on our hands.
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Clear performance advantage….hmm. I guess if straight line performance is all that matters, which is why everyone used to dismiss the Domestics as true performance cars.
I don't even think it's performance. The fact is, every BMW since E chassis cars have had varying levels of numbness. BMW has stepped up performance nicely, but really struggle with how the cars feel. Even the M2.
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Clear performance advantage….hmm. I guess if straight line performance is all that matters, which is why everyone used to dismiss the Domestics as true performance cars.
I don't even think it's performance. The fact is, every BMW since E chassis cars have had varying levels of numbness. BMW has stepped up performance nicely, but really struggle with how the cars feel. Even the M2.
Except the last 2 CS cars. They've nailed EPAS with them as best as possible.
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Except the last 2 CS cars. They've nailed EPAS with them as best as possible.
I somehow doubt it. Same rack, same software on M2 CS. I'll be open to change my mind if I ever drive one back-to-back, though. I've heard of maybe one person who has driven them back-to-back to eliminate bias and with the same wheel and tire setup. Until then, I'll trust that it's similar to every other BMW M car I've driven with EPAS including F80, F82 ZCP, F80 CS, F87, F87 Comp, F90, and F90 Comp. A lot of people seem to mistake feel through their seat with steering feel. The unlike a regular M5, the M2s give feedback through the seat at least.

I've driven a Panamera Turbo and it was much better than anything BMW has done lately in that department, so I'm sure it's possible.
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