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In regards to posts about the new i4, without a great charging network, I cant see i4 achieving high volume. Its not to see bmw cannot create a scaled charging network. For now tesla seems to be way ahead.
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Every other auto manufacturer is challenged without a robust charging network And Rivian is the only company with the balls to approach Tesla for access to their worldwide supercharger network
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I think other manufacturers including bmw could have a good network if they leverage existing networks at hotels and other sites, and they could direct drivers to them via nav, they wouldn't often be fast charging like tesla, but it could bridge the gap.
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In Sweden we are seeing this more and more but not by regulations but because the petrol stations choose to invest in electric charging all between 50-150 kw chargers. So this might be why BMW is not planning on extensive building of charging networks like Tesla.
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Tesla has everyone beat in the EV game of monopoly... Batteries and worldwide superchargers Rivian however is the first company to be smart enough to ask Tesla for rights to use it
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Tesla usually have charging near more random places (as most people in US can charge at home so long range charge is really for road trip), and try to be near hotel/restaurant/coffee shop so people are not 100% bored for 20 minutes. I think tesla is pretty good in the now, most people's daily commute is less than 100 miles and since you plug overnight range anxiety is not really a problem. I wouldn't take tesla on road trip but I know a lot friend did. Though back on i4, really hopeful that bmw won't launch my disappointment but my hope is not high |
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Ford is stating over 13,500 charging locations at this time for the launch of the Mach E. Until that car is reviewed, it's too soon to count it out simply because of the badge. The early info/specs are impressive.
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Not going to stop a deal necessarily Apple filed suit against Samsung and they still use them as a supplier
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Tesla has the upper hand with Supercharger network worldwide as well as Battery design and production advantages
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With Rivian allegedly stealing tech while hired to work on designs for Tesla and then come out as a competitor in EV manufacturing...I know I would not want to grant them usage of my charging network. Like stealing seed from your barn and then asking if they use your land to plant the crop..........
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I'm not sure Tesla will prevail in court. As it's an issue with Ex Tesla Employees violating their noncompete agreement. Rivian is free to hire just anyone they desire to hire with little backlash if any.
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07-25-2020, 10:38 PM | #15 |
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Tesla's long term plan has always included the charging infrastructure. They made their tech open to all intentionally to encourage (and force) other manufacturers to get on the same standard so that all electric vehicles would use Tesla superchargers. Manufacturers have been fighting getting locked into this, which is why we have like 5 different charging standards right now, but if Tesla succeeds then the i4, Polestar, Rivian, etc will all use Tesla superchargers. Consumers + Tesla win, everyone else sorta maybe loses.
If BMW simply adapted Tesla's standard and mapped GPS routing to it and such like Teslas do, the whole electric revolution would move faster. |
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I’m curious to see if/how BMW incentivizes fast charging for the i4/iNext when they launch, similar to what they did with the ChargeNow program for the i3/i8. The free supercharging is one of the nicer perks Tesla offers (if you buy at the right time). Thankfully I live in an area with several free Level 2 options, as well as having a Level 2 charger at home for my 530e, but maybe BMW will offer a little incentive for fast charging while on road trips.
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Naturally Rivian denies the claim hence the lawsuit. We shall see how this shakes out in court. I really doubt Tesla will share their charging network (or anything else) with Rivian regardless of who prevails in court. |
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Based on the Taycan owner road trip reports I’ve read, the lack of standardized charging networks is likely to remain a significant issue for non-Tesla EVs.
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McDonalds is missing the opportunity... in the U.S. alone, there is a McDs off nearly every major interstate exit. They need to start their own network. I’ll have a Big Mac, fries, coffee, and 30 minutes of electricity.
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