[DiamondLights]

Hi all

Hoping for some help as narrowed down to the X5 2019 G05 but i really cannot determine which engine to go for (am buying cash outright).

The 30d was the front runner but continually reading about the death of diesel (for example Bristol will ban all Diesels including Euro6 from City centre, Islington charges more to park Diesels etc), just worried about where this will lead in next 2 years.

I could stretch to the 40i but given it's an SUV, how thirsty is it? Will I spend a lot of time filling up given the MPG (it is mainly town and local driving, motorway once a week or fortnight really)?

Lastly, love the idea of the 45e, but this car is already top of my spending range and the 45e is an additional £10k on top (for an XLine, not MSport too!), so think I am just about priced out for the 45e.

Welcome your thoughts, but should i go for the 40i over 30d based on the above? Thanks all.

[ems328i]

Originally Posted by DiamondLights

Hi all

Hoping for some help as narrowed down to the X5 2019 G05 but i really cannot determine which engine to go for (am buying cash outright).

The 30d was the front runner but continually reading about the death of diesel (for example Bristol will ban all Diesels including Euro6 from City centre, Islington charges more to park Diesels etc), just worried about where this will lead in next 2 years.

I could stretch to the 40i but given it's an SUV, how thirsty is it? Will I spend a lot of time filling up given the MPG (it is mainly town and local driving, motorway once a week or fortnight really)?

Lastly, love the idea of the 45e, but this car is already top of my spending range and the 45e is an additional £10k on top (for an XLine, not MSport too!), so think I am just about priced out for the 45e.

Welcome your thoughts, but should i go for the 40i over 30d based on the above? Thanks all.

Tough call! The UK sems to really want to get rid of diesel annoyingly, but the 40i, although a fine engine, is very thirsty for mostly town driving - people on this forum are getting around 18 mpg.

https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1555517

You need to offset this against those extra charges for diesels to see which way it favours you...
Could you maybe wait 6 months and see if the 45e drops into your price range?
Or, if you don't really need the size, an X3 or 5 series?

[Pateeke81]

If you drive a lot in town/country roads and not a lot of motorway and you charge it as much as possible --> 45e will be the best choice in the long run.
The 40i will drink as a Russian either what you drive on.
The diesels are only when you do long motorway distances, resale value is also very low on diesels these days.

[W0ut]

The highest depreciation will be the 45e followed by the 30d.
Although I'm reading a lot of positive news about the new generation of diesels. I'm afraid the anti-diesel hype is unstoppable.

The 40i fuel consumption is rather high.

I personally bought the 45e but that choice was heavily influenced by local tax incentives here in Belgium. When registering the car on a business, the 45e is >25.000 euro's cheaper here than the 30d or 40i (over a 5 year period).

Only select the 45e if you plan to charge the car a lot.
Fuel consumption with hybrid is largely depended on usage and charging habits. I'm averaging 5.4l/100km on local roads. 8.5l/100km on highways and 13l/100km on highways when battery is empty.

[jwtw20]

Unless you are getting the 45e as a company car for the tax benefits I wouldn't bother. It's a great car but not worth the extra money and the mpg is pants if you don't charge it every night. I'm in the UK and only got the 45e for the low BIK.

[six]

I have a 40i and I’m really pleased. Had a 40d F15 X5 previously and haven’t looked back. I do lots of urban driving and tend to see about 23mpg on the computer in town and up to 28mpg on steady, non-congested motorway driving. I used to get 30-ish at all times in my 40d so yeh, it’s using more fuel. But petrol is cheaper and ‘currently’ more socially acceptable!

I looked at the 45e but buying privately it’s just not worth it currently, perhaps things will be different next time.

[DiamondLights]

Originally Posted by W0ut

The highest depreciation will be the 45e followed by the 30d.

thanks for the message and points raised, very helpful. Was a bit confused by this point though, why will the depreciation on the 45e be greater than 40i and 30d? Surely Hybrid will have some resale value after no?

[DiamondLights]

Originally Posted by six

I have a 40i and I’m really pleased. Had a 40d F15 X5 previously and haven’t looked back. I do lots of urban driving and tend to see about 23mpg on the computer in town and up to 28mpg on steady, non-congested motorway driving. I used to get 30-ish at all times in my 40d so yeh, it’s using more fuel. But petrol is cheaper and ‘currently’ more socially acceptable!

I looked at the 45e but buying privately it’s just not worth it currently, perhaps things will be different next time.

Appreciate the feedback.

I could handle 23mpg but heard some scare stories of really low MPG, around 15mpg on a 40i which is just ridiculous.

I have a driveway and garage so charging the 45e is easily doable, but i can't see how i'll save £10k+ going for 45e over the Diesel/Petrol over the coming years.

Ultimately it's two things:

1) Is buying a Diesel now too risky?
2) Will i regret the frequent trips to the garage going with 40i over 30d?

Think i have to rule out the 45e on basis it's just out of our price range.

[BMW_Cyprus]

I think your choice needs to factor in several things as long as you are buying to keep the car for minimum of 5 years and possibly for 7 years. This will help you to calculate total cost of ownership.

1. Purchase price (+)
2. Tax incentives (-)
3. Fuel (recharging) costs (+)
4. Cost of home charger for 45e (+)
5. Maintenance costs (+)
6. Resale value after 5-7 years (very difficult to predict but you can give a score instead of value in pounds)

Optionally I would factor in at least following (because s*hit happens):

1. Cost of battery replacement for 45e
2. Cost of air suspension replacement (only for 45e as it is standard equipment)
3. Cost of adaptive m suspension replacement (for Msport 40i/30d)

There are some other factors to consider like wear and tear but these will mostly balance out and should be independent of engine choice.

[MystroX5]

The 40i has a lot of performance to offset the slightly additional fuel consumption. Most people at this price point would gladly make that trade off in a luxury SUV. You don’t go to a top steak house and order the salad.

[Heavyd]

All my previous cars I bought myself. The 45e is my first financial renting. No down payment, high residual value and smallest possible monthly payments. If something happens with the battery within 5 years all costs are for BMW and I have repears and maintenance contract for the duration of the renting.

I choose for the 45e purely for fiscal reasons.
Resale value after 5 years will be, in my opinion, almost nothing. The technology, battery and mileage on the battery will be outdated.
The 40e in my country is considered a "false" hybrid now so no fiscal incentives anymore. People with a 40e just can't get rid of it. It's just a question of time when the 45e will also become a false hybrid.

There is a witch hunt on diesel drivers and this will not stop. If fiscality wasn't an issue I would have bought a 40i. Or did I mean 50i

[Baychattan]

I've only had my 30d for under two weeks, but in the first 450 miles of mixed driving I am getting 45mpg. But it depends on how you drive.

Diesels have bad press at the moment, but how long before petrol cars become pariahs again due to their CO2 levels? And electrics because their batteries are full of toxic rare metals? Funny how no cities have yet banned diesel lorries and vans.

My take is to ignore what 'fuel' is fashionable/ unfashionable and go with what suits you and your usage best.

[DiamondLights]

Originally Posted by Heavyd

Resale value after 5 years will be, in my opinion, almost nothing. The technology, battery and mileage on the battery will be outdated.
The 40e in my country is considered a "false" hybrid now so no fiscal incentives anymore. People with a 40e just can't get rid of it. It's just a question of time when the 45e will also become a false hybrid.

There is a witch hunt on diesel drivers and this will not stop. If fiscality wasn't an issue I would have bought a 40i. Or did I mean 50i

That's a fair point I hadn't thought of, the Hybrid will be considered out of date 5 years from now due to technology advances (and our government already binning off Hybrid grants).

So lets rule out the 45e now.

Should i invest in a diesel, or just go Petrol and accept it'll be thirstier but less risky in terms of the diesel outrage ongoing?

[ems328i]

Originally Posted by DiamondLights

That's a fair point I hadn't thought of, the Hybrid will be considered out of date 5 years from now due to technology advances (and our government already binning off Hybrid grants).

So lets rule out the 45e now.

Should i invest in a diesel, or just go Petrol and accept it'll be thirstier but less risky in terms of the diesel outrage ongoing?

Personally, with the current government being in power for the coming 4 yrs, I don't see Boris and his lot changing their minds on diesel in that time frame, so my vote would be the 40i and enjoy the lovely smooth power and accept the slightly bigger thirst

[six]

Originally Posted by DiamondLights

Appreciate the feedback.

I could handle 23mpg but heard some scare stories of really low MPG, around 15mpg on a 40i which is just ridiculous.

I have a driveway and garage so charging the 45e is easily doable, but i can't see how i'll save £10k+ going for 45e over the Diesel/Petrol over the coming years.

Ultimately it's two things:

1) Is buying a Diesel now too risky?
2) Will i regret the frequent trips to the garage going with 40i over 30d?

Think i have to rule out the 45e on basis it's just out of our price range.

Honestly ignore the scare stories about 15MPG I don’t hang about and I’ve never seen anything like that in regular driving. I wonder if some of the 15MPG’s are quoting US gallons not imperial. It’s not a huge difference but it can make MPG’s sound worse for us in UK reading US figures...

[jonjo001]

I found the website NextGreenCar.com a useful tool for doing a side by side comparison of cars on the eco credentials. I have a 45e, but as a company car, which others have said in the UK is the only way it really makes sense.

Anyway, with the 30d and 40i, their estimate of the fuel cost is 10.8ppm for the 30d and 13ppm for the 40i. The CO2 for both is high, but only 30g higher in the 40i. One thing that is different is the NOx, with the 40i half of the 30d (0.027 v 0.052).

[jwtw20]

Originally Posted by six

Honestly ignore the scare stories about 15MPG I don’t hang about and I’ve never seen anything like that in regular driving. I wonder if some of the 15MPG’s are quoting US gallons not imperial. It’s not a huge difference but it can make MPG’s sound worse for us in UK reading US figures...

When my battery is dead in my 45e and I'm driving just on ice, I get anywhere from 13-18mpg. I believe the engine is the same as the 3L 6-cylinder as in the 40i so yes, 15mpg is realistic.

[DiamondLights]

Originally Posted by jonjo001

I found the website NextGreenCar.com a useful tool for doing a side by side comparison of cars on the eco credentials. I have a 45e, but as a company car, which others have said in the UK is the only way it really makes sense.

Anyway, with the 30d and 40i, their estimate of the fuel cost is 10.8ppm for the 30d and 13ppm for the 40i. The CO2 for both is high, but only 30g higher in the 40i. One thing that is different is the NOx, with the 40i half of the 30d (0.027 v 0.052).

thanks will take a look. It seems that NOx is the issue as that's why Bristol and London's ULEZ is taking aim at, the NOx levels, not CO2.

So, guys, I think you have led me to the 40i...

[AlexG05be]

It definitely depends on the fiscal advantages you can get. In BE, I went for the 45e as a company car. I agree that resale value might not be optimal after 5 years considering battery tech fast evolution but fiscally it is still positive for me. A quick check on actual resale price shows 25-30% of purchase price after 5 years for the 40e, 35% for other engines. I still hope resale will be better than the 40e that was a first hybrid with many downsides so I went for direct purchase.

If you purchase it as individual in the UK and do a lot of miles, you should go for the 30d. If your mileage is below 25k miles per year go for the 40i. If you purchase it as a business, the 45e is definitely a good compromise and your TCO will be lower than the other 2.

[BryanC84]

For what its worth.. i looked at the 30d, 40i, M50i and 45e.

I've bought a 45e on PCP privately. The driving i'm doing, the range of the electric engine etc.. and the free charger install (from BMW) made more sense to me fiscally.

Most, if not all my mileage will be on Electric. I work from home and dont need to travel anywhere long distance... if I do.. then I have a 3 litre monster under the bonnet, combining with electric for nearly 400 bhp.

It gives me the choice of being good and using electric.. or putting my foot down and letting the fuel literally burn!

[ems328i]

Originally Posted by jwtw20

When my battery is dead in my 45e and I'm driving just on ice, I get anywhere from 13-18mpg. I believe the engine is the same as the 3L 6-cylinder as in the 40i so yes, 15mpg is realistic.

Whilst it is the same engine, when running purely on ICE you are also carrying 300 kgs of dead weight batteries....

[James_G0540i]

I previously had a an F15 X5 30d, and decided to stick with the 30d in the G05 as well. Main reasons:

1. The 30d/Diesel massive low-down torque is perfectly matched to the vehicle. You press the accelerator to only 1500-2000rpms and you glide nicely up to 60kmh and it just keeps going.You need to put your foot down more to get the same low-down responsiveness out of the 40i.

2.Fuel consumption. Consumption in my 30d Diesel around the suburbs is around 30mpg, and I get 40mpg and slightly over in country/highway driving - its amazing for the size of this car.
Be prepared to pay dearly for fuel if you go the 40i, I've heard it can be very thirsty, especially if you do most of your driving in urban environments. ALSO remember you will need PREMIUM petrol (higher octane rating) to get the most (performance & efficiency/MPG) out of the 40i engine, which is also more expensive than the standard stuff. It will also be more sensitive to petrol quality.

3. I wanted the massive 620nm torque, as I tow a small boat. Again the 600nm+ torque makes towing effortless - to the point where you have to remind yourself you're actually towing something.

Dont be too concerned about Diesel reputation, especially with BMW who are known to make the best Diesels in the world. The car has a first class DPF filter, and has exhaust gas re-circulation that burns off the majority of NOx gases.

Here's a great review comparing the 30d and 40i, especially around the character of the motors. I actually used this article last year to make my decision - I think it provides an objective comparison.

https://performancedrive.com.au/2019...0get%20excited.

Make the choice according to your primary needs and how much you're willing to pay in fuel.

=> If your main concern is performance and dont mind paying 2-3 times more in fuel bills, go the 40i. The 45e offsets the fuel consumption, but is a heavier vehicle and from all accounts seems to be a more complex/complicated vehicle - thinking future maintenance and reliability might be costly.

=> If you want a more subdued/effortless/calm drive, and especially if you tow, go the Diesel. At 6.3s to 100km/h, the 30d is no slouch in performance either.