Just 60 pounds difference between 535i and 335i

exty328 · 09-19-2008, 01:21 PM

I was just checking the specs and I saw the weight difference between 535i and 335i is just 60 pounds. No wonder 5 series gets almost the same mileage. I cant believe that e90 got so heavy

I335 · 09-19-2008, 02:21 PM

The 335 isn't really that much smaller...

matt_435xi · 09-19-2008, 02:26 PM

its that flight simulator joystick (shifter) the 5-series has that weighs it down.

Raikkonen · 09-19-2008, 02:28 PM

wow. that is amazing. i didn't look at the gearing (for the manual transmission cars), but the 335 is 2/10ths faster to 60, but the gas mileage is identical!!! for the same price of a new 335, it almost makes more sense to buy a year old CPO 535 (for those of us who need more room!) my only issue is that the 5 series will be undergoing a major redesign very shortly... but yes, the 3 series has gotten WAY too heavy recently....

Majikthese42 · 09-19-2008, 02:33 PM

The 535i uses a lot more lightweight material than the 335i. (The $$$$ are definitely going somewhere!) It saves weight but the downside is it's fragile and expensive to fix after a crash. There are some interesting threads about 5-series collision repair costs at other BMW websites.

wrh3 · 09-19-2008, 02:34 PM

I rode in an associates 5 series sedan while out of town and did not find it had a lot more noticeable interior volume than our 335i Coupe?

seanl · 09-19-2008, 02:36 PM

But it's safe to assume that the 335i is a more nimble, better handling car than the larger 535i...

I've not driven a N54 powered E60, but my buddy has a nice '04 530i. It's a great freeway car, tons of room and very comfortable, but it's in no way as sharp handling as my 335.

one.miguel · 09-19-2008, 02:41 PM

When I was looking at the specs trying to decide between a 535 and a 335, I only saw a few (something like two) inches of difference between interior space. It didn't seem worth the extra $$$.

BK · 09-19-2008, 02:46 PM

Speaking of which, it would be nice if BMW would add a lightweight model to the lineup. A lightweight 3 would be great. But any lightweight model would be nice to see. I feel dumb asking, but is the Z2 M still on the horizon?

mattldm · 09-19-2008, 03:47 PM

All cars are getting heavier across the board...

The fact that the 5 is only 60lbs heavier than the 3 means that BMW spent more time and money on designing the 5 to loose weight. (Basically everything forward of the A pillar in the 5 is aluminum)

IMO - with the weights of every car on the rise, the 3 is about where it should be (give or take a bit) but its the 5 that is lighter than it should be.

drwtsn32 · 09-19-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

its that flight simulator joystick (shifter) the 5-series has that weighs it down.

Don't the 2009 E9x's get that same shifter?

The other cool thing about the 5 series is the HUD option. I wish we could get that on our 3's!

akhter · 09-19-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wrh3

I rode in an associates 5 series sedan while out of town and did not find it had a lot more noticeable interior volume than our 335i Coupe?

Yeah I noticed that too. More of the space is in the rear-legroom and the huge trunk. The front seats are huge too which takes up a lot of space.

BradF · 09-19-2008, 05:53 PM

I had a 5 as a loaner and the interior felt much more cheap and plasticky than my 3. Maybe that has something to do with it.

undecided · 09-19-2008, 06:01 PM

The 535xi felt like a boat, I am sure the suspension set up is a lot softer on the 5.

Deda · 09-19-2008, 06:04 PM

535 is limousine and 335 is sport car...i think that heart will always pick 335,but mind says 535!

labrit · 09-19-2008, 06:43 PM

That's shocking.

The 335 is a pig. My vert probably weighs the same as a 5!

yuyue · 09-19-2008, 08:09 PM

even the e46 m3 is a pig......no need to mention about other 3s

GAaaAR · 09-19-2008, 10:17 PM

If you are comparing both models to their respective transmission. An automatic 535i is 122lbs heavier than a e92 6at 335i. The closest would be the 535i manual and the e90 335i manual which the 535i is 66lbs heavier.

The auto is significantly heavier for the 5 series for some reason. And most 5 series are auto.

darkphantom · 09-19-2008, 10:53 PM

wait, how much does the 535i weigh? I have an E93 and pushing close to 4k lbs!

simp0man · 09-20-2008, 12:03 AM

That is interesting to know. I hope this doesn't continue with the next gen 3.

halB · 09-20-2008, 12:53 AM

The seats in the 5 are more comfortable and the car feels a lot more refined. Like Akhter said, there is more leg room in the back and the trunk is a lot bigger, and the trunk lid pops open all the way. Handling wise the 3 is a lot sharper but that is by design, to differentiate it from the 5 becasue they are intended for different markets. Comparing the two is like comparing jeans with dress pants.

bsd107 · 09-20-2008, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by drwtsn32

Don't the 2009 E9x's get that same shifter?

The other cool thing about the 5 series is the HUD option. I wish we could get that on our 3's!

Only 2009 E9x coupes with DCT get that same shifter as the current E60.

I totally agree about the HUD option. That, Comfort Seats and a Rear Backup Camera are the only options I miss on the E90 LCI.....

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I335 Brigadier General 123 Rep 4,249 Posts Drives: '08 335i Coupe Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New England iTrader: (11)	The 335 isn't really that much smaller...
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seanl Second Lieutenant 2 Rep 214 Posts Drives: '08 335i 6-Speed Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: SF iTrader: (0)	But it's safe to assume that the 335i is a more nimble, better handling car than the larger 535i... I've not driven a N54 powered E60, but my buddy has a nice '04 530i. It's a great freeway car, tons of room and very comfortable, but it's in no way as sharp handling as my 335.
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mattldm M40i Soon! 27 Rep 175 Posts Drives: 2020 X3 M40i coming soon Join Date: May 2005 Location: So Cal - 909 iTrader: (0)	All cars are getting heavier across the board... The fact that the 5 is only 60lbs heavier than the 3 means that BMW spent more time and money on designing the 5 to loose weight. (Basically everything forward of the A pillar in the 5 is aluminum) IMO - with the weights of every car on the rise, the 3 is about where it should be (give or take a bit) but its the 5 that is lighter than it should be.
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BradF Private First Class 8 Rep 150 Posts Drives: '06 E53, '08 E90 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: CA iTrader: (0)	I had a 5 as a loaner and the interior felt much more cheap and plasticky than my 3. Maybe that has something to do with it.
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undecided Captain 83 Rep 985 Posts Drives: 08 M5 Sapphire Black Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: CT iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 335xi SOLD!!!! ... [0.00] 2008 M5 [0.00]	I test drove a 535xi before I got my 335xi The 535xi felt like a boat, I am sure the suspension set up is a lot softer on the 5.
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Deda Major General 564 Rep 7,034 Posts Drives: BMW M5 comp Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Croatia iTrader: (0)	535 is limousine and 335 is sport car...i think that heart will always pick 335,but mind says 535!
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labrit Private 2 Rep 62 Posts Drives: 997 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: LA iTrader: (0)	That's shocking. The 335 is a pig. My vert probably weighs the same as a 5!
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GAaaAR Captain 33 Rep 671 Posts Drives: 2009 E92 335i Join Date: May 2006 Location: NYC iTrader: (1)	If you are comparing both models to their respective transmission. An automatic 535i is 122lbs heavier than a e92 6at 335i. The closest would be the 535i manual and the e90 335i manual which the 535i is 66lbs heavier. The auto is significantly heavier for the 5 series for some reason. And most 5 series are auto.
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