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      04-27-2020, 02:31 AM   #1
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Spoiler removal + Pro spoiler installation (Frozen paint)

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Always been a huge fan of how the M-performance pro spoiler looks on the F90. Originally was really looking for a car with it as port installation option but well, choosing car’s color is more important here (I’m sure you’ll agree...)

Removed many spoilers in the past but they were all on regular painted cars, never on matte paint... Any one with experience with spoiler removal on the frozen paints? As many of you know there is no polishing or 2nd chance to “repair” the frozen paint..

It wouldn’t be much of an issue if the new spoiler will cover up the glued area from the old spoiler, but from my understanding the Pro spoiler has areas that doesn’t overlap with the factory one?

Any pointers/experiences will be great!
Mine is a 19 comp with CF spoiler (heard it’ll be glued with Betalink for sure...?)
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If it is fixed with Betalink, forget it.

My factory lip was tape and vI ery carefully removed it and didn't cause any damage whatsoever, but there are some 'score' marks underneath - in fact they are underneath the clear coat and although I have since machine polished, they are still there. Only I can see them, but they are there.

As BMW know a lip is going there, I guess it is an area which does not have to be perfect?

I'd try to establish how it is fixed on by asking the dealer to find out, or by heating the corner and passing fishing line. If it cuts through easily, it's tape. Refix isn't difficult on the edge.

So, not specific to frozen paint, just wanted to reply.
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I would honestly just take it to the dealer for them to install the pro spoiler. Not worth the risk to do it yourself on frozen paint.

I know BMW carries a special solution to safely dissolve and remove betalink, but I never used it myself yet.
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I would honestly just take it to the dealer for them to install the pro spoiler. Not worth the risk to do it yourself on frozen paint.

I know BMW carries a special solution to safely dissolve and remove betalink, but I never used it myself yet.
This! There is also a kit from BMW ($40?) that BMW will buy and charge you for to install the new spoiler. I let the dealer handle it. It had to go back once or twice for the dealer to clean up the adhesive, etc. from removal of the stock spoiler.
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I have frozen paint and was looking at the Pro Spoiler but the shop that made my spoiler and install (RW) was scared to do the prep for the exact reasons mentioned above. They did not want to ruin the paint where gaps would show. So I went with this beast instead:

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I would honestly just take it to the dealer for them to install the pro spoiler. Not worth the risk to do it yourself on frozen paint.

I know BMW carries a special solution to safely dissolve and remove betalink, but I never used it myself yet.
Good idea! I’m used to DIY but I don’t think having the paint finish ruined is worth it. Just gotta suck it up and pay the dealer rate then!
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I would honestly just take it to the dealer for them to install the pro spoiler. Not worth the risk to do it yourself on frozen paint.

I know BMW carries a special solution to safely dissolve and remove betalink, but I never used it myself yet.
Good idea! I’m used to DIY but I don’t think having the paint finish ruined is worth it. Just gotta suck it up and pay the dealer rate then!
I had the same thought when changing out the spoiler on my Frozen Black M5C. While I liked the pro spoiler, there would be some exposed paint from the factory set-up.

So I went with this F90 CS style spoiler from RW Carbon and I LOVE IT. Did it myself, super easy just like any other spoiler install. [IMG][/IMG]
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This! There is also a kit from BMW ($40?) that BMW will buy and charge you for to install the new spoiler. I let the dealer handle it. It had to go back once or twice for the dealer to clean up the adhesive, etc. from removal of the stock spoiler.
I have not heard of any such thing that works. Everyone will tell you if it's betalinked on....FORGET IT.....especially on frozen paint.

I wanted to put the Pro Spoiler on my car and everyone I've talked to who has a white M5 has a mark there from removing it.

It irritates the hell out of me that BMW betalinked this stuff on and made it impossible to remove. The white one I bought already had the front splitters on there....and as much as I'd like to remove them, it's just not realistic. I've called several BMW dealer body shops and they all say it's going to be, at best, a new bumper repaint...and quite possibly a whole new bumper assembly.
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Not my experience, but my car is black. The kit is an adhesive kit for the new spoiler. My rear decklid needed buffing twice by the dealer but looks great now. Went with the dealer rather than my bodyshop so the dealer could pay for any complications.

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Not my experience, but my car is black. The kit is an adhesive kit for the new spoiler. My rear decklid needed buffing twice by the dealer but looks great now. Went with the dealer rather than my bodyshop do the dealer could pay for any complications.
I had my spoiler replaced because the dealer ordered the wrong one. The msport version you mentioned left exposed areas. My car is Black Sapphire and if this were not a lease I could not really live with the marks on the trunk lid. I can only imagine how much more difficult this would be with frozen paint.
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Well, I own my car outright, it is black, and I had the dealer handle the swap from the low carbon fiber spoiler to the pro spoiler so that if there was any problem the dealer would take care of it. It was not necessary to repaint my car or anything else. It was necessary to buff out some of the old adhesive from the clear coat on the paint. Best of luck in your decisions
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Well, I own my car outright, it is black, and I had the dealer handle the swap from the low carbon fiber spoiler to the pro spoiler so that if there was any problem the dealer would take care of it. It was not necessary to repaint my car or anything else. It was necessary to buff out some of the old adhesive from the clear coat on the paint. Best of luck in your decisions
I’ve inquired my SA and they told me they’re not able to do it due to liability reason and the car being frozen paint... I’m wondering if I could potentially bring it up to BMW NA and ask for their opinion and assistance? Since I’m just trying to go through a legitimate way to upgrade to factory performance parts. But the way they have the spoiler glued on is making it impossible to do so...
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Perhaps dumb question. Probably 7 or so years ago at the NY Auto Show I saw a blue M3 with the matte finish. I fell in love with it.

My question is if you get into a fender bender, can a body shop do that type of paint? Is it very difficult to match?

If you wash your own vehicle, and I couldn’t imagine anyone taking it through a car wash, do you have to exercise more than the usual caution? Are scratches able to be buffed out?

Sounds like a complete PPF install is mandatory for frozen paint.
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Perhaps dumb question. Probably 7 or so years ago at the NY Auto Show I saw a blue M3 with the matte finish. I fell in love with it.

My question is if you get into a fender bender, can a body shop do that type of paint? Is it very difficult to match?

If you wash your own vehicle, and I couldn’t imagine anyone taking it through a car wash, do you have to exercise more than the usual caution? Are scratches able to be buffed out?

Sounds like a complete PPF install is mandatory for frozen paint.
Oh not dumb at all! Frozen paint used to be rare and less body shops had the experience to fix it. However in the past few years it had gotten common, more shops know how to do it now. Spoke with a local body shop (insurance approved shop) with Mercedes certification, which learning how to repaint magno/ frozen colors is a requirement to get certified.
He also mentioned that it’s not necessary difficult to match, but what’s different is they got only one chance when painting it.If not perfect they’ll have to redo

Washing vehicle yes... frozen paint is as durable as the regular paint counterpart but when is regular paint tough enough against water mark, swirls, microscratches, and even Mark left by bird poop after baking in the sun?
Usually fixable and can be buffed with the regular paint.. It does not apply here...

I thought I’ll be comfortable having the car without PPF and just live with it... I’m wrong, I became very nervous every time I wash/ dry the car to the point car washing became less enjoyable... Finally gave in two days ago and brought it to get it fully PPFed..

Frozen paint is Def not for the faint of heart. Unless you’re willing to shell out extra to get it protected from the get go.
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Buffing is definitely different between standard gloss paint and matte paint. As I mentioned, my black M5C had to be be buffed twice by the dealer to remove evidence of the removed low spoiler.
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I’ve inquired my SA and they told me they’re not able to do it due to liability reason and the car being frozen paint... I’m wondering if I could potentially bring it up to BMW NA and ask for their opinion and assistance? Since I’m just trying to go through a legitimate way to upgrade to factory performance parts. But the way they have the spoiler glued on is making it impossible to do so...
Better to be safe like I was--- there are still a slew of options that look brilliant outside of the M Pro. I seriously doubt you will get an expert opinion from NA- its not in their purview.

And of course to anyone who posted here about their non frozen paint; we know its an easy process with buffing. Sadly it wont work with Frozen and the Pro as Ive been told. Id rather not risk it.
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What if I make it a port installed option? Do the folks at Hueneme know how to do it?

I'm considering a frozen paint for the next car in the future, and would likely want the pro spoiler if I get an M5 again.
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What if I make it a port installed option? Do the folks at Hueneme know how to do it?

I'm considering a frozen paint for the next car in the future, and would likely want the pro spoiler if I get an M5 again.
Good question.... do all F90's come with the standard lip on the trunk and then some get a PIO done regarding the PRO? If so, you would run into the same issue with removal and install on Frozens.
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What if I make it a port installed option? Do the folks at Hueneme know how to do it?

I'm considering a frozen paint for the next car in the future, and would likely want the pro spoiler if I get an M5 again.
I believe it’s possible to order, and at most BMW will just repaint the affected panels at their VDC...?

I would doubt they’ll just tell you it’s impossible!
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What if I make it a port installed option? Do the folks at Hueneme know how to do it?

I'm considering a frozen paint for the next car in the future, and would likely want the pro spoiler if I get an M5 again.
Good question.... do all F90's come with the standard lip on the trunk and then some get a PIO done regarding the PRO? If so, you would run into the same issue with removal and install on Frozens.
Yes my understanding is that the pro spoiler is PIO not done in Germany.
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So.. brought my car in last week to do a full body PPF, went in to check on the progress of the wrap
They removed the spoiler already...
Luckily it seems like my CF spoiler was NOT attached on frozen painted car with Betalink, but tape!
I'll check in soon and check out the condition of the paint underneath...
(Also on how exactly they got it off)

When I found it was removed I was so happy. I told them NOT to put it back once done wrapping. They all seemed confused lol
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I have same color as OP. I can confirm the factory spoiler is secured by tape and not the betalink. My PRO spoiler was installed using the betalink. No marks anywhere on trunk. Came out perfect. Very happy. And yes, owning a car with frozen paint is definitely a little anxiety ridden but well worth it IMO. This is my 3rd frozen paint. I'd do another frozen color on next car as well. I love the look.
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