330i 6MT: What am I giving up by not having Sports Package?

E46X2 · 09-15-2008, 11:35 AM

I found a CPO 330i 6MT that I might be interested in but it does not have Sports Package - what am I giving up besides the wheels, steering wheel, and suspension?

I dont mind not having the wheels and suspension as I plan to lower and get aftermarket wheels for whatever car I buy anyway... What is the difference in steering wheels, any links to pics? Thanks in advance.

addy85 · 09-15-2008, 11:37 AM

the steering wheels is more sporty on with zsp then non zsp

steering wheel is smaller and tighter with sport suspension

E46X2 · 09-15-2008, 11:40 AM

^^^ What do you mean by "tighter"? Is it that the steering feels tighter because of the suspension?

DenverJayhawk · 09-15-2008, 11:43 AM

you'll be missing the terrific sport seats.

E90SLAM · 09-15-2008, 11:58 AM

sport seats, steering wheel, suspension, 18" wheels....

calvino · 09-15-2008, 12:02 PM

besides what e90slam said:
non sport = 135 mph speed limit

sport= 155 mph

E90SLAM · 09-15-2008, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by calvino

besides what e90slam said:
non sport = 135 mph speed limit

sport= 155 mph

damn....how did i forget this!!!

kei169 · 09-15-2008, 12:54 PM

really? sport can run faster than normal even they don't have any changes in engine?
How come?

Thanks

vladinecko · 09-15-2008, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kei169

really? sport can run faster than normal even they don't have any changes in engine?
How come?

Thanks

it's just an electronic limiter. the engine is the same. you can have the limiter removed by a skilled mechanic.

E46X2 · 09-15-2008, 01:30 PM

So how many times have any of you gone upto 155MPH or even 135 for that matter? haha I have a feeling the car would be really huffing and puffing to get there and it might take a minute (literally) to see that type of speed... I dont think I'd remove it anyway as I am sure it would void my warranty!

The seats would be a point of interest though - I really liked how the seats were in the 335i w/ZSP that I test drove a coupe years ago...

DenverJayhawk · 09-15-2008, 01:38 PM

sport package seats are reason enough to get the package. They are awesome.

BradF · 09-15-2008, 01:41 PM

No ZSP would be a deal-breaker for me, just because of the seats alone. But with the 6MT, the 3 is so balanced with ZSP because of the suspension....and for some reason that sport steering wheel makes a huge difference.

BK · 09-15-2008, 02:05 PM

SEATS! The seats are the biggest issue. The ZSP steering wheel is better, too. Suspension is like 1/2" lower (not much). 162 wheels are way more attractive than the non-ZSP wheels.

Also, the question above about the electronic speed limiter -- it's higher for ZSP because the tires equipped with ZSP are rated for higher speed.

lipek · 09-15-2008, 02:10 PM

compare seats and steering wheel of the 330 you want to buy with the 3 series that has zsp and you'll see the difference.

Year's_End · 09-15-2008, 02:34 PM

The seats and the limiter are things that can't be replaced without serious money involved. Those alone warrant the purchase of the ZSP package.

You could buy an //M steering wheel, aftermarket suspension and good non-RFTs, but you can't buy new seats for cheap.

kei169 · 09-15-2008, 02:43 PM

Seats........awesome. You will find it so much difference especially you do cornering..... the seats just stick with you....

I haven't regret of getting the sport package.

Staszek · 09-15-2008, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kei169

really? sport can run faster than normal even they don't have any changes in engine?
How come?

Thanks

Its not faster, but because the sport package is outfitted with 168mph tires and the non sport package isnt the limiter is raised on the ZSP models.

They are both exact same in acceleration (non ZSP is probably a slight bit quicker due to lighter wheel and tire combo but barely noticeable).

Out of anything the best thing about the ZSP that is very hard to change in a non ZSP car is the seats.

You can change the wheels cheap, you can change the suspension cheap, but getting the seats are very hard to find, unless your not picky about heat or power.

openwheelracing · 09-15-2008, 02:55 PM

you are giving up a BMW

Year's_End · 09-15-2008, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kei169

Seats........awesome. You will find it so much difference especially you do cornering..... the seats just stick with you....

I haven't regret of getting the sport package.

I wouldn't go that far. They're good, could be better though. Much better.

E46X2 · 09-15-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Staszek

Its not faster, but because the sport package is outfitted with 168mph tires and the non sport package isnt the limiter is raised on the ZSP models.

They are both exact same in acceleration (non ZSP is probably a slight bit quicker due to lighter wheel and tire combo but barely noticeable).

Out of anything the best thing about the ZSP that is very hard to change in a non ZSP car is the seats.

You can change the wheels cheap, you can change the suspension cheap, but getting the seats are very hard to find, unless your not picky about heat or power.

To be 100% honest, I can careless about heated seats - I live in Ca. and dont deal with snow or anything and power is not that big of a deal since I will be the only one driving... Though I would like to have power seats, its not something I'd lose sleep over.

Staszek · 09-15-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by E46X2

To be 100% honest, I can careless about heated seats - I live in Ca. and dont deal with snow or anything and power is not that big of a deal since I will be the only one driving... Though I would like to have power seats, its not something I'd lose sleep over.

Then it makes it a little easier to find for sale when people convert to racing seats, or cars are totaled.

Still will not be cheap though.

nicknaz · 09-15-2008, 03:44 PM

swapping ZSP steering wheel and seats is probably close to the cost of getting the ZSP in the first place

I'd get the ZSP. If you plan to mod you can prob sell the wheels for ~$1400 and sell the suspension parts too, so you would more than cover the cost of the seat and steering wheel swap

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E46X2 Private First Class 3 Rep 102 Posts Drives: 4 Wheels and a gas tank Join Date: May 2007 Location: California iTrader: (0)	330i 6MT: What am I giving up by not having Sports Package? I found a CPO 330i 6MT that I might be interested in but it does not have Sports Package - what am I giving up besides the wheels, steering wheel, and suspension? I dont mind not having the wheels and suspension as I plan to lower and get aftermarket wheels for whatever car I buy anyway... What is the difference in steering wheels, any links to pics? Thanks in advance.
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addy85 Got beef? 138 Rep 3,646 Posts Drives: E90 335i Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Arlington Texas iTrader: (4) Garage List 2007 335i [0.00]	the steering wheels is more sporty on with zsp then non zsp steering wheel is smaller and tighter with sport suspension __________________ Special Thanks to AU335
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E46X2 Private First Class 3 Rep 102 Posts Drives: 4 Wheels and a gas tank Join Date: May 2007 Location: California iTrader: (0)	^^^ What do you mean by "tighter"? Is it that the steering feels tighter because of the suspension?
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DenverJayhawk Major 72 Rep 1,217 Posts Drives: 2006 E90 330i Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Denver iTrader: (0)	you'll be missing the terrific sport seats.
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calvino Lieutenant Colonel 304 Rep 1,928 Posts Drives: had e90, 330i mystic blue Join Date: May 2006 Location: Weston,Florida iTrader: (4) Garage List 2006 e90 330i [0.00]	besides what e90slam said: non sport = 135 mph speed limit sport= 155 mph __________________ E90 Mytic Blue 330i 07-20-2006. 05-17-2011 Doesn't the idea of making nature against the law seem to you a bit . . . unnatural? Support NORML
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kei169 Captain 23 Rep 735 Posts Drives: e90 325i Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (5)	really? sport can run faster than normal even they don't have any changes in engine? How come? Thanks
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E46X2 Private First Class 3 Rep 102 Posts Drives: 4 Wheels and a gas tank Join Date: May 2007 Location: California iTrader: (0)	So how many times have any of you gone upto 155MPH or even 135 for that matter? haha I have a feeling the car would be really huffing and puffing to get there and it might take a minute (literally) to see that type of speed... I dont think I'd remove it anyway as I am sure it would void my warranty! The seats would be a point of interest though - I really liked how the seats were in the 335i w/ZSP that I test drove a coupe years ago...
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BradF Private First Class 8 Rep 150 Posts Drives: '06 E53, '08 E90 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: CA iTrader: (0)	No ZSP would be a deal-breaker for me, just because of the seats alone. But with the 6MT, the 3 is so balanced with ZSP because of the suspension....and for some reason that sport steering wheel makes a huge difference.
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BK Smiling politely 165 Rep 7,931 Posts Drives: 330i Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Washington DC iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 330i [9.00]	SEATS! The seats are the biggest issue. The ZSP steering wheel is better, too. Suspension is like 1/2" lower (not much). 162 wheels are way more attractive than the non-ZSP wheels. Also, the question above about the electronic speed limiter -- it's higher for ZSP because the tires equipped with ZSP are rated for higher speed. __________________ E90 330i Black Sapphire 6MT \| 991.1 C4 Platinum Silver 7MT
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lipek Second Lieutenant 13 Rep 218 Posts Drives: E90 325i Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: San Diego, CA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 325i [0.00]	compare seats and steering wheel of the 330 you want to buy with the 3 series that has zsp and you'll see the difference. __________________ [B]Electric Red/Black leather,aluminum, 6MT, sport package, 19" Beyer Multi Staggered Chrome rims/w BF Goodrich - g-Force T/A KDW (New Tread),debadged, fujita intake,muffler delete,rouge eng ssk,3000w alpine 12" sub/w 1000w alpine digital amp,smoked led tail lights.
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Year's_End Lieutenant General 1138 Rep 12,444 Posts Drives: 2020 Shelby GT350 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: FL iTrader: (0)	The seats and the limiter are things that can't be replaced without serious money involved. Those alone warrant the purchase of the ZSP package. You could buy an //M steering wheel, aftermarket suspension and good non-RFTs, but you can't buy new seats for cheap. __________________ Past: '08 E92 335i\|ZPP\|ZSP\|6AT Past: '15 Mustang GT\|401A\|PP\|6MT Current: '20 Shelby GT350\|6MT
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kei169 Captain 23 Rep 735 Posts Drives: e90 325i Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (5)	Seats........awesome. You will find it so much difference especially you do cornering..... the seats just stick with you.... I haven't regret of getting the sport package.
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openwheelracing Captain 192 Rep 814 Posts Drives: 5 different 3 Series Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Santa Barbara, CA iTrader: (0)	you are giving up a BMW
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nicknaz Lieutenant General 3187 Rep 10,509 Posts Drives: C6Z Join Date: May 2008 Location: NorCal iTrader: (0)	swapping ZSP steering wheel and seats is probably close to the cost of getting the ZSP in the first place I'd get the ZSP. If you plan to mod you can prob sell the wheels for ~$1400 and sell the suspension parts too, so you would more than cover the cost of the seat and steering wheel swap
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