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      02-03-2020, 10:49 AM   #1
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Was watching a RT video (below) on upcoming CTSV and in between all the camo caddys lurks a F90 M5 Competition?! Do they use as a point of reference for real world competition? I think it a fair assumption the M5C is the reference standard of high performance sedans. At least Cadillac seems to think so.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...r-sale-150000/

I mention as I am sure there is a high performance Caddy SUV in the works. I read something about better engine selections for the Escalade. I bet they put up against X5/X6M.


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Was watching a RT video (below) on upcoming CTSV and in between all the camo caddys lurks a F90 M5 Competition?! Do they use as a point of reference for real world competition? I think it a fair assumption the M5C is the reference standard of high performance sedans. At least Cadillac seems to think so.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...r-sale-150000/

I mention as I am sure there is a high performance Caddy SUV in the works. I read something about better engine selections for the Escalade. I bet they put up against X5/X6M.
Blackwing engine will not be going into the Escalade from the last article i read from one of the major magazines. Could be something else, but the Blackwing is the only one that would compete with the x5/x6M
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OP, new competitor of the M5 is the CT5, no longer the CTS (and the V part is questionable for the name currently, as its rumored to be titled Blackwing despite not actually using the Blackwing engine) and is not either of those cars in the images. The cars in the images posted are CT4-V's, which are competitors to the "M-Performance" line, possibly with the 2 or 3 series, as the CT4 is a tweener vehicle in price/size. V is moving downmarket for a new brand (possibly Blackwing) to take its place.

Here is some information about the upcoming M competitors from Cadillac. https://www.motor1.com/news/360643/c...upecharged-v8/
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OP, new model is the CT5-V (and the V part is questionable for the name currently) and cars in the pictures are CT4's which are more competitors to the 2/3 series.

Also, why is this front page news?
Cuz theres nothing else goin on.. like that horrible 4 series grill-less thread 🤦*♂️🤦*♂️🤦*♂️😘
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I wanted a CTS-V soooo bad, but their infotaiment system, with that nasty ass plastic touch panel shit was just a NO-GO for me. I really hope they get rid of that cheap-ass shit from the interior. I'll only take a second look then. Best of luck, Caddy.
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I wanted a CTS-V soooo bad, but their infotaiment system, with that nasty ass plastic touch panel shit was just a NO-GO for me. I really hope they get rid of that cheap-ass shit from the interior. I'll only take a second look then. Best of luck, Caddy.
New CT5 (replacement for CTS) has this interior. Gone is the awful CUE infotainment and plastic touch buttons. It now has both a touchscreen and dial to interact with as well as physical buttons. However, materials and quality are still very GM, nonetheless still better than the CTS.

Expect this for the CT5-Blackwing? - whatever they call it, but with more carbon fiber, and some Recaro's and a rumored 6-Speed Manual
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I wanted a CTS-V soooo bad, but their infotaiment system, with that nasty ass plastic touch panel shit was just a NO-GO for me. I really hope they get rid of that cheap-ass shit from the interior. I'll only take a second look then. Best of luck, Caddy.
Sooo aside from all that jazz ur making good points on.. i was in a 800+ auto V.. not too long ago with stock brakes and drivetrain.. on slicks obviously.. and even tho the interior might b shit.. the perf factory bits held up as if they were aftermarket.. this dude was literally gripless on the mickeys till prolly 4th.. idk it all happened so fast.. and the stock brakes !! Delicious
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Man the CT5 is ugly. The attempt at a boxy sport back just didn't work at all. And for some reason the wheels look way too small to me. They look like they're 10's.
The CT6 is better, but I wouldn't consider anything in their car lineup good looking.
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It certainly wouldn't surprise me. My dad just upgraded his f10 M5 to a 2020 M5comp and I am speechless at how fantastic the car is. Haven't felt the true power since it's not broken in yet but the sound of the comp is just hilariously fun. You can even set the car to super sport and open the valves before turning the car on which makes for a symphonic engine start up. What makes the car truly amazing is the the drastic change from comfort to sport plus. Clicking it into comfort turns it into an extremely comfortable and quiet 5 series. I am shocked at the comfort of the competition. Simply amazing car to drive and sets the bar high.
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I wanted a CTS-V soooo bad, but their infotaiment system, with that nasty ass plastic touch panel shit was just a NO-GO for me. I really hope they get rid of that cheap-ass shit from the interior. I'll only take a second look then. Best of luck, Caddy.
Sooo aside from all that jazz ur making good points on.. i was in a 800+ auto V.. not too long ago with stock brakes and drivetrain.. on slicks obviously.. and even tho the interior might b shit.. the perf factory bits held up as if they were aftermarket.. this dude was literally gripless on the mickeys till prolly 4th.. idk it all happened so fast.. and the stock brakes !! Delicious
Oh, i've always heard the V's are badass! Especially with the LT4. But we drive on the freeway 99% of the time, so for me, the interior and infortainment are very important to me. It's the exact reason i'm VERY unhappy with my Performance Model 3.

I just googled the interior of the CT5. MUCH better. I'm now really interested in seeing what they do with the V8 CT5-V, interior wise.
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I wanted a CTS-V soooo bad, but their infotaiment system, with that nasty ass plastic touch panel shit was just a NO-GO for me. I really hope they get rid of that cheap-ass shit from the interior. I'll only take a second look then. Best of luck, Caddy.
New CT5 (replacement for CTS) has this interior. Gone is the awful CUE infotainment and plastic touch buttons. It now has both a touchscreen and dial to interact with as well as physical buttons. However, materials and quality are still very GM, nonetheless still better than the CTS.

Expect this for the CT5-Blackwing? - whatever they call it, but with more carbon fiber, and some Recaro's and a rumored 6-Speed Manual
Oh I am IN! That is sooo much better! Can't wait to see what they do with the V8 V. Thanks!
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I wanted a CTS-V soooo bad, but their infotaiment system, with that nasty ass plastic touch panel shit was just a NO-GO for me. I really hope they get rid of that cheap-ass shit from the interior. I'll only take a second look then. Best of luck, Caddy.
New CT5 (replacement for CTS) has this interior. Gone is the awful CUE infotainment and plastic touch buttons. It now has both a touchscreen and dial to interact with as well as physical buttons. However, materials and quality are still very GM, nonetheless still better than the CTS.

Expect this for the CT5-Blackwing? - whatever they call it, but with more carbon fiber, and some Recaro's and a rumored 6-Speed Manual
Oh I am IN! That is sooo much better! Can't wait to see what they do with the V8 V. Thanks!
Likely going to be the same powertrain as the previous CTS-V, so it will likely just have some revisions done to the LT4 engine (6.2L SC V8, in the ZL1 Camaro and Z06 Vette), its a fantastic engine though, and their chassis tuning is very good as well, so I can't wait for the reveal.
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I wouldnt trust cadillac.. had a 2015 escalade right when it came out, biggest pile of shit in terms of quality / finishes.. On the other hand, I loved the exterior design and of course the space. I doubt much has improved for 2021..
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I wanted a CTS-V soooo bad, but their infotaiment system, with that nasty ass plastic touch panel shit was just a NO-GO for me. I really hope they get rid of that cheap-ass shit from the interior. I'll only take a second look then. Best of luck, Caddy.
You should check out the new 2021 Escalade that debuted couple days ago. It has a 38in curved OLED, first OLED in any production car. Looks amazing.
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New CT5 (replacement for CTS) has this interior. Gone is the awful CUE infotainment and plastic touch buttons. It now has both a touchscreen and dial to interact with as well as physical buttons. However, materials and quality are still very GM, nonetheless still better than the CTS.

Expect this for the CT5-Blackwing? - whatever they call it, but with more carbon fiber, and some Recaro's and a rumored 6-Speed Manual
That interior does nothing better than the CTS. I see the same GM plastic buttons, and the panel fitment is poor from the photos alone. Look at the gap between the glovebox and the wood trim on the upper left, or the gap between the right edge of the glovebox and its adjacent panel.

GM can benchmark BMW all they want, but the CT5 will suffer the same fate on the market the CTS did. There are no customers for a high performance Cadillac; they won't poach German buyers nor retain Cadillac people.
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New CT5 (replacement for CTS) has this interior. Gone is the awful CUE infotainment and plastic touch buttons. It now has both a touchscreen and dial to interact with as well as physical buttons. However, materials and quality are still very GM, nonetheless still better than the CTS.

Expect this for the CT5-Blackwing? - whatever they call it, but with more carbon fiber, and some Recaro's and a rumored 6-Speed Manual
That interior does nothing better than the CTS. I see the same GM plastic buttons, and the panel fitment is poor from the photos alone. Look at the gap between the glovebox and the wood trim on the upper left, or the gap between the right edge of the glovebox and its adjacent panel.

GM can benchmark BMW all they want, but the CT5 will suffer the same fate on the market the CTS did.
It does do things better than the CTS though. Gotta remember, the CTS interior was so awful, that anything new is an improvement. It finally includes an infotainment system and physical buttons which actually work well and won't make you angry trying to use it like the CTS.

If you have tried the previous CUE system paired with the touch sensative controls, as found in the previous CTS and ATS, this is very well indeed a huge upgrade from the CTS. But like I said in my original post, materials and build quality will still be typical GM (otherwise known as below average) but the tech at least, is 100% an upgrade from the CTS. It is actually a bearable interior now

Would it be my first choice? Hell no! But I could easily live with it as long as the seats, chassis, and steering is as good as the last CTS-V and ATS-V and if they gave it a manual.

Never said it was amazing, but its definitely better than the CTS.
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It's a shame that Blackwing TT looks to be on the chopping block. Seems like a fitting modern day Northstar. The LT2 in the new vette is still a pushrod 2 valve v8. Yikes.
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The LT2 in the new vette is still a pushrod 2 valve v8. Yikes.
Base C8 is also a $60k mid engine sports car.

A dual overhead cam flat plane high revving V8 is coming for the Z06.
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Man the CT5 is ugly. The attempt at a boxy sport back just didn't work at all. And for some reason the wheels look way too small to me. They look like they're 10's.
The CT6 is better, but I wouldn't consider anything in their car lineup good looking.
While I agree with you completely, I'm very concerned that BMW is trying to compete with and catch up to Cadillac's ugly design language. The new, huge grill phenomenon on their vehicles and the even worse front ends on the 4-series/M3/M4 indicate they will surpass Cadillac soon. SMH. Fortunately, BMW build quality is better.
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Not at all... as amazing as it is; it is NOT a class above the new caddy's. If you knew how many parts the m5 shares with the plain old 3 series you'd be shocked.
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