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      12-16-2019, 03:09 PM   #1
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Noelle Performance Programming is now available For Your F90 M5

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Noelle's High-Performance Software was developed in Germany over the past 3 years by Noelle and their partners in Germany and has been officially released for the US Market. Noelle's competitors can only offer Tuning Boxes also known as piggy backs for all new BMW’s. These tuning boxes falsify information that is being sent to the engine control unit and can cause running issues, false check engine lights and an array of other issues. Noelle's software replaces the operating system in the engine control unit and functions exactly like the factory software, eliminating all of the problems associated with tuning boxes.

Noelle Performance programming is only available at select programming facilities installed by independent BMW professionals.

Another benefit of Noelle's software is the modification/removal of the top speed limiter allowing you to experience the full potential of your BMW* as well as maintain your factory BMW warranty.

*Noelle Performance recommends following all posted speed limits on public roads! Top speed driving should ONLY be done on race tracks and only by experienced drivers with the proper training.

F90 M5

S63M Engine

617 Stock HP

850 Tuned HP
740 Tuned Torque

https://www.noelleperformance.com

Contact your local Noelle dealer for more information.

Here is a video from The Smoking Tire on Noelle Performance Programming:


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We all want to see a dyno. This tune has been discussed here before and no one believes it. The video doesn't add any credibility. I emailed Noelle about this, asking for a dyno, they sent me a chart that looked like it had been drawn in Microsoft paint.
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money in hand for a before after dyno same day and 1/4 time.
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So is this like 720 AWHP?

I think it’s important to point out that the tune is $3700 but does include warranty of engine issues due to tune. Expensive but will be worth the peace of mind to some
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money in hand for a before after dyno same day and 1/4 time.
Same here. If they get some real numbers for this I'll buy it without a doubt. Still waiting for proof though...
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So is this like 720 AWHP?

I think it’s important to point out that the tune is $3700 but does include warranty of engine issues due to tune. Expensive but will be worth the peace of mind to some
It's really about $4,500 though. I was told the license was $3,700, then its additional to install/tune on a dyno, then there's tax.
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This Noelle Performance BMW M5 is Making 850 HP With Nothing but a Tune

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https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...e-performance/

https://youtu.be/WKmCEHUYSek

Tuner Noelle Performance squeezes 250 additional horsepower from the current-gen M5. And it's warrantied.

BY MACK HOGAN DEC 16, 2019

The current M5 is powerful. Wickedly, insanely powerful. More powerful than advertised. But to some, that's not enough. For those people, there is the Noelle Performance tune for the BMW M5.

With no other modifications, this $3699 tune takes a standard, 600-hp M5 up to 850 hp. Torque also jumps from 553 lb-ft to an insane 740 lb-ft. To put that in perspective, a McLaren 720S makes 710 horsepower and 568 lb-ft of torque. JK Keck from Noelle Performance, speaking to Zack Klapman from The Smoking Tire, says that one of these tuned M5s apparently did 0-62 mph in 2.2 seconds.


Klapman's whole video is worth watching, as it puts the M5's crazy power into perspective. Even for someone like Klapman, who reviews fast cars frequently, the M5 is wicked. It's also got a leg up on other tuned M5s, as Noelle claims that it takes tuning a step further than basic piggyback chip manufacturers.

Noelle Performance says that modern tuned cars—especially BMWs—are often limited by the integration of the computer systems. You can trick the engine into making more power, but it's more work to get the differential, transmission, and adaptive suspension to expect that kind of power and make the most of it. That's where it claims to be different—instead of tricking the ECU, it runs its own custom software that integrates all systems while boosting power.

This, Noelle says, reduces the reliability problems that tuned cars sometimes face. That's why the company backs up its tuned cars with warranties. Should you experience a powertrain component failure that BMW won't cover due to the modifications, Noelle will fix it within the duration of the original factory warranty.

For non-modified parts, the company says it'll work with BMW to figure out who should cover repairs. To promote transparency and a good working relationship, it also notifies BMW of the cars it modifies. So if you're thinking about trying to get this thing stealth modified and kept under the factory warranty, you might have to shop elsewhere.

You'll also have to find another shop to chip your E92 M3. Despite the company's namesake, Karl-Otto Noelle, cutting his teeth tuning E34s for Alpina, his shop now sticks to the highly computerized F- and G-series BMW chassis. That includes everything from the M760i luxo-barge to the X1 compact crossover.
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well if they don't hurry up I'll probably buy a GTS black and ride my knock sensor, lol.
Spring will be here soon, and it will be more fun then the previous one .
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It's really about $4,500 though. I was told the license was $3,700, then its additional to install/tune on a dyno, then there's tax.
We are trying to a dyno chart to post.

It may be worth the drive to Santa Barbara to save yourself hundreds of dollars!
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forget about a dyno. I just want to hear feedback from someone...anyone who has purchased this tune. I haven't seen any performance data. and a 2.2 0-60 time is crazy. You'd think w/ such an expensive tune, that they would at least quote performance figures to entice a potential buyer.

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forget about a dyno. I just want to hear feedback from someone...anyone who has purchased this tune. I haven't seen any performance data. and a 2.2 0-60 time is crazy. You'd think w/ such an expensive tune, that they would at least quote performance figures to entice a potential buyer.

Where is a 60-130
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There may be a second part to that video with some track testing...may be worth the wait.
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I haven't seen or heard of anyone using this tune. I would love to see some drag slips or Dragy screen shots or even a dyno sheet. Pretty simple to do

I ran a 2.5 0-60 on the street and I can imagine that a 2.2 is doable especially if they are using a 1ft rollout on a prepped track. But, to claim all that power on 93 octane seems a bit
much. I would think that in order to push that much power, like everyone else you have to push the boost up and run race fuel of 100oct or more is a
necessity.

If it does what they claim it does then why not post some proof. I'm sure the sales would go through the roof and it would be great for business.
I mean, posting some proof would be the first thing I did as marketing material. Shit, I ran a 10.09 and I posted it on here the same night and I'm not
even selling anything. lol
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The best part about this is the warranty coverage!

A fully tuned car that has a warranty... Where do I sign?
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I haven't seen or heard of anyone using this tune. I would love to see some drag slips or Dragy screen shots or even a dyno sheet. Pretty simple to do

I ran a 2.5 0-60 on the street and I can imagine that a 2.2 is doable especially if they are using a 1ft rollout on a prepped track. But, to claim all that power on 93 octane seems a bit
much. I would think that in order to push that much power, like everyone else you have to push the boost up and run race fuel of 100oct or more is a
necessity.

If it does what they claim it does then why not post some proof. I'm sure the sales would go through the roof and it would be great for business.
I mean, posting some proof would be the first thing I did as marketing material. Shit, I ran a 10.09 and I posted it on here the same night and I'm not
even selling anything. lol
Yeah because you’re proud of your car and how it performs, usually when you see this too good to be true nonsense without anything to back it up, that’s exactly what it is. I’m sure they’re gonna come out and say they used a 25% loss for the drivetrain, a downhill slope for the 2.2 0-60, and the car will make 640whp on a dyno with their tune on 91-93oct
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So Noelle will replace any blown rear differentials, any burned clutches, and any broken axles?

Interesting to see how many customers will have these issues with all that power on stock hardware......
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So Noelle will replace any blown rear differentials, any burned clutches, and any broken axles?

Interesting to see how many customers will have these issues with all that power on stock hardware......
Exactly.
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Interestingly, Noelle will collaborate with BMW to see which parts are covered under BMW warranty after the mods.
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That sounds quite entertaining......

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That sounds quite entertaining......

Mike
Dinan made similar claims... and having experienced the "interact with BMW to determine responsibility" firsthand, I don't want to go through that again.

I'd love to see some actual performance numbers, too, since claiming dyno numbers and a 0-60mph time that even an employee will only describe as hearsay isn't convincing—I've heard it too many times before.

That said, they're offering a more complete package than most and they have a good rep in Europe so there's that.
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I emailed someone from Noelle last night and got a reply this morning. They provided me with a few testimonials (from drivers of non F90's) and a computer made Dnyo graph.

I asked a few questions and they guy was nice and seemed to be honest and they have some good points. There is a alot of advantages of this tune if it does do in fact what they say it does.

I asked to be put in touch with someone that is actually using the tune as I haven't heard of anyone using it, not a single person on Dragy with a posted time. (maybe there is and I'm not looking hard enough)

Well, I asked for a contact and a real Dyno sheet. Hopefully I get some answers. Here is the Dyno sheet they sent me
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I emailed someone from Noelle last night and got a reply this morning. They provided me with a few testimonials (from drivers of non F90's) and a computer made Dnyo graph.

I asked a few questions and they guy was nice and seemed to be honest and they have some good points. There is a alot of advantages of this tune if it does do in fact what they say it does.

I asked to be put in touch with someone that is actually using the tune as I haven't heard of anyone using it, not a single person on Dragy with a posted time. (maybe there is and I'm not looking hard enough)

Well, I asked for a contact and a real Dyno sheet. Hopefully I get some answers. Here is the Dyno sheet they sent me

its interesting how it looks like its been designed with only a straight edge tool.

very much like many of the OEMs do their graphs.

i think thats the theme they are going for. also interesting how they are not promising to make some huge TQ figure and instead are claiming for focus on the curve, just like OEM

just an observation, but their method is interesting
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Very interesting! Will be great to see how this plays out with the dealers.

So, maybe 820hp on SoCal 91 octane?
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