[GTF]

New comparison 3-way giving the nod to the X5.
Typical of this Mag, no specs....only their comments.
X5 by a nod....winning performance and tech.
Followed by GLE....they find plusses where no-one else apparently can.
Last Cayenne....best handling, best seats, but its not a 911.
Hopefully they will follow up with a more complete review, but at least the X5 came out on top.

https://www.automobilemag.com/news/b...uv-comparison/

[MystroX5]

I said the X5 owns this category back in January when I tested everything ($135k and under) but the new GLE. After I tested the GLE I proclaimed the new X5 as king of the German luxury/performance SUV's. Look at all the time we could have saved just listening to the Mystro. Seriously, I cant ever read a article about the Cayenne without the 911 brought up. Its becoming extremely irritating the need for the Cayenne to hitch its wagons on the legendary 911 in which it has nothing in common. As a 3 decade 911 owner its

[jasrboyd]

Brutally honest review.

[Laki021]

I don't like rear-wheel steering on BMW-s.

All the steering issues they mention are rear-wheel steering related, especially all those minor corrections to stay in the desired line...

I would really like if BMW would offer adaptive steering without the 4WS.

I have 4WS on my car, I would like to turn it off, but unfortunately, no such option. (I think that there should be a switch to disable it).

[SHARMAATL]

This is a pretty fair review. I have an X5 that has the same 21 inch tire/wheel combo (except my wheels are the orbit grey). I haven't really noticed a harsh ride, but that may be since i'm not coming out of an ultra-plush vehicle to the X5. Feels like these auto journalists are starting to get a bit too coddled regarding drive comfort.

I am happy they pointed out the absurdly high price of a base Cayenne if spec'd to the level of the GLE/X5.

One major gripe on this review is the lack of performance testing. They mention, "...the Cayenne pulled away foot-by-foot from the X5 and the GLE above 75 mph, but it failed to carve out a sustainable lead." Well, what about the jaunt up to 75mph? The base Cayenne is almost a full second slower to 60 than the other car mags have clocked the X5. I would've appreciated some hard numbers on that and maybe some quarter mile times as well.

Either way, a good outcome for the X5.

[AndroidRobot]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

I said the X5 owns this category back in January when I tested everything ($135k and under) but the new GLE. After I tested the GLE I proclaimed the new X5 as king of the German luxury/performance SUV's. Look at all the time we could have saved just listening to the Mystro. Seriously, I cant ever read a article about the Cayenne without the 911 brought up. Its becoming extremely irritating the need for the Cayenne to hitch its wagons on the legendary 911 in which it has nothing in common. As a 3 decade 911 owner its

Having driven everything but the new GLE myself, and despite my issues, I agree 100%

[solstice]

What a depressing read...they make it sound like three seriously flawed vehicles, non worth buying or worthy of their brands if you put a premium on the driving experience. Makes me want to hold on to our sweet handling Cayenne until the wheels fall off. Luckily much of this is fixable with the right options.

[Laki021]

You think your Cayenne would do any better in their review?

[Tenac]

Originally Posted by solstice

What a depressing read...they make it sound like three seriously flawed vehicles, non worth buying or worthy of their brands if you put a premium on the driving experience. Makes me want to hold on to our sweet handling Cayenne until the wheels fall off. Luckily much of this is fixable with the right options.

That is a very pessimistic way to look at it. Curious what triggered the depressing view? I read the article and found it to be pleasing to hear honest reviews from all points of view, even though to be honest some of the stuff was simply opinion only, which one must take with imputing their own thoughts there instead. Still a good read when you consider the Pro's and Con's directly to what your own list is.

[Ken6096]

Im just curious to know that why we havent seen much comparison between X5 and Range Rover SVR , Alfa Romeo , or Jag. Because they are not German? Or they are higher level? Just really want to know , no toxic.

[SHARMAATL]

Originally Posted by Ken6096

Im just curious to know that why we havent seen much comparison between X5 and Range Rover SVR , Alfa Romeo , or Jag. Because they are not German? Or they are higher level? Just really want to know , no toxic.

The Range Rover SVR is not a competitor to the X5 40i or the 50i. Both X5s are slower and less powerful. However, that's also because both are significantly less expensive than the SVR. The upcoming X5M will be a direct competitor.

The Jag and Alfa are both smaller vehicles so they are not in the same class as the X5. They both (especially the Alfa) trade luxury and ride quality for speed and quickness.

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by SHARMAATL

The Range Rover SVR is not a competitor to the X5 40i or the 50i. Both X5s are slower and less powerful. However, that's also because both are significantly less expensive than the SVR. The upcoming X5M will be a direct competitor.

The Jag and Alfa are both smaller vehicles so they are not in the same class as the X5. They both (especially the Alfa) trade luxury and ride quality for speed and quickness.

Isn’t the tested 0-60mph of the 2019 RR SVR 4.7 seconds? RR transmission isn’t that efficient as BMW.
Go to 4:45 in the video review.

[Ken6096]

Originally Posted by SHARMAATL

The Range Rover SVR is not a competitor to the X5 40i or the 50i. Both X5s are slower and less powerful. However, that's also because both are significantly less expensive than the SVR. The upcoming X5M will be a direct competitor.

The Jag and Alfa are both smaller vehicles so they are not in the same class as the X5. They both (especially the Alfa) trade luxury and ride quality for speed and quickness.

Thank you so much. I saw on blue RR SVR in downtown and they drive so agressive. Their exhaust sound is so loud! Compare to my 50i.

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by Ken6096

Thank you so much. I saw on blue RR SVR in downtown and they drive so agressive. Their exhaust sound is so loud! Compare to my 50i.

. Yea but your faster. RR and Jag really values a aggressive exhaust note in their performance vehicles even more than Ford does. Less refined growl and more muscle car raspy burble.

[SHARMAATL]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

Isn’t the tested 0-60mph of the 2019 RR SVR 4.7 seconds? RR transmission isn’t that efficient as BMW.
Go to 4:45 in the video review.

I haven't driven one, but from what I can see online, the 0-60 speed is closer to 4.3.

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...575-horsepower

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-drive-review/

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by SHARMAATL

I haven't driven one, but from what I can see online, the 0-60 speed is closer to 4.3.

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...575-horsepower

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-drive-review/

That would make more sense but considering I can get a real world 0-60mph of 4 seconds draggy time with the current 50i M-Sport, the SVR will get eaten alive by the new X5M. I would put my real money down to race a SVR at a stop light to win. I know what the 50i M-Sport can really do and do it all day long. My wife can get a 4.3 second 0-60mph without launch control in my 50i M-sport and she just mashes the go pedal.
My elevation is 500ft. Android was getting around 4.1 to 4.2 with his draggy and his elevation is a lot higher by a couple thousand feet.
The 2020 M50i will be in the 3.8-3.9 seconds 0-60mph. I am certainly not a BMW fanboy at all but rather a 911 guy but the current 50i M-Sport is “stupid fast” for a SUV.

[SHARMAATL]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

That would make more sense but considering I can get a real world 0-60mph of 4 seconds draggy time with the current 50i M-Sport, the SVR will get eaten alive by the new X5M. I would put my real money down to race a SVR at a stop light to win. I know what the 50i M-Sport can really do and do it all day long. My wife can get a 4.3 second 0-60mph without launch control in my 50i M-sport and she just mashes the go pedal.
My elevation is 500ft. Android was getting around 4.1 to 4.2 with his draggy and his elevation is a lot higher. The 2020 M50i will be in the 3.8-3.9 seconds 0-60mph. I am certainly not a BMW fanboy at all but rather a 911 guy but the current 50i M-Sport is “stupid fast” for a SUV.

I think SVR owners on their forum are reporting similar times, so I really do think it would be awesome for a drag race.

To that end, it's a huge credit to BMW that the 50i can manage to keep up with, and potentially outpace, the top end performance variant that JLR has to offer. I imagine this is due to the weight of the highly dated RRS platform and V8 engine.

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by SHARMAATL

I think SVR owners on their forum are reporting similar times, so I really do think it would be awesome for a drag race.

To that end, it's a huge credit to BMW that the 50i can manage to keep up with, and potentially outpace, the top end performance variant that JLR has to offer. I imagine this is due to the weight of the highly dated RRS platform and V8 engine.

For sure. From what I have read is that BMW grossly underrates the performance stats and their tuned ZF transmission is incredibly efficient. I have not felt a better transmission in anything. This is why the new X5M might have less hp on paper but will dominate others with more hp.
I owned a new RR Sport for 7 very long months. Never again will I buy a British car.

[Ken6096]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

. Yea but your faster. RR and Jag really values a aggressive exhaust note in their performance vehicles even more than Ford does. Less refined growl and more muscle car raspy burble.

Have no idea if my car would be faster at that time , their exhaust sound just make me scare! Lol , they try to initiate the race at the stop light but no... not in downtown too dangerous.

[amphiprion]

" Even the GLE, which boasts four air-sprung wheels as opposed to the BMW’s two, felt brittle and overly robust on all but perfectly polished terrain. "

As far as I know, BMW only offers air suspension in the G05 for both front and rear axles. You cannot option it just for the rear like you could with the F15.

Fun fact: The X5's new air suspension is now a closed-system which means it will not (supposedly) have issues that open systems did in the past where outside contaminants could get in and lead to various problems.


Also, I've noticed that I can't hear the system operating like I could in my F15 after parking, getting out and hearing the vehicle "adjust".

[robby818]

Originally Posted by amphiprion

" Even the GLE, which boasts four air-sprung wheels as opposed to the BMW’s two, felt brittle and overly robust on all but perfectly polished terrain. "

As far as I know, BMW only offers air suspension in the G05 for both front and rear axles. You cannot option it just for the rear like you could with the F15.

Fun fact: The X5's new air suspension is now a closed-system which means it will not (supposedly) have issues that open systems did in the past where outside contaminants could get in and lead to various problems.


Also, I've noticed that I can't hear the system operating like I could in my F15 after parking, getting out and hearing the vehicle "adjust".

You are correct about the air suspension for 2019. I am surprised that the writer was so critical of the ride quality. Every other review of the X5 praises the ride quality even without air suspension. I am a little suspect of the findings. A lot of the writer's comments seem unsubstantiated. Big wheels = harsh ride. It's not that simple, but I see that comment a lot in car reviews nowadays.

[sk0rchi]

Originally Posted by robby818

Big wheels = harsh ride. It's not that simple, but I see that comment a lot in car reviews nowadays.

The bulk of published periodical content/reviews are rinsed and repeated templates. Words and context are overused - the word 'shod' comes to mind and I see it too often, was fresh 20 years ago. The older generation of auto journalists (Csere and Mackenzie) were, and, still are excellent gentlemen; able to write with soul and purpose.