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03-29-2006, 10:44 AM | #2 |
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03-29-2006, 10:45 AM | #4 |
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I am hoping by mid-2007. appears they are waiting for the US low-sulfer diesel fuel mandate to take effect late 2006, then make adjustments to exhaust/catylst systems to meet emission standards. they may also be watching the success of mercedes Bluetec diesel emission-control/exhaust system, which is introduced late this year on several models.
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03-29-2006, 10:55 AM | #7 |
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I'd so buy a 330d....I love diesels, lotsa torque and great mileage....
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03-29-2006, 11:45 AM | #8 |
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Apparently Mercedes are launching, or have already launched the new S Class 320CDI (that's the diesel) in the US, so I can't imagine BMW will wait long.
As a basic guide for those who have never driven a modern diesel engine, they 'feel' like the next cylinder size up, i.e. a straight six diesel feels like a V8 petrol, etc.
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03-29-2006, 12:01 PM | #9 |
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The problem is that the new restrictions on passenger cars go into affect about the same time as the low-sulphur fuel arrives. Basically, the rest of the US will adopt the current California emissions regs, which currently do not allow for new-car diesel sales. The only hope is the urea-injection systems...
Now, if BMW were smart they would first introduce the X5 and X3 diesels, since these vehicles are exempt from passenger car emissions. |
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03-29-2006, 01:53 PM | #10 |
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California always screws it up for the rest. All these great diesels sold in Europe can't be used in the US because a few states make stupid regulations. Companies often have a difficult time making a business case to invest in a new diesel engine product in the US when certain big markets won't accept -- thats why we only have the VW jetta and MB 320 CDI. They would both offer more if they could sell higher volume by entering all state markets. Must be all that constant sun that just warps the thinking...
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03-29-2006, 01:58 PM | #11 | |
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Right. However, it is unlikely that the first diesels in the US/Canada will be cars. The price differential will make them, at least initially, be more suite to introduction as high-end performance on the SUVs (x3/X5). If market acceptance is there the line-up can then be expanded. This is what I gave gleaned from interviews with the Panke in German mags. Last edited by Bimmerista; 03-29-2006 at 02:53 PM.. |
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05-05-2006, 10:10 PM | #13 |
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I would like to purchase a 330d touring in a year or so. Please allow me to BMW. I recently drove a 530 and want to purchase the BMW brand.
Too bad that MB is the only one bringing over the diesels right now. I am sure Audi will have them before BMW since, they are really just VW TDI engines. |
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05-05-2006, 10:40 PM | #14 |
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05-06-2006, 08:18 AM | #15 |
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Any gains in fuel economy will be negated by the higher cost of diesel fuel, higher maintenance costs, emission devices that lower fuel economy, and premium charged by the manufacturer for the diesel engine. This is evident now with the "big 3" and their diesel pickup trucks.
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05-06-2006, 09:25 AM | #16 | |
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Anyways, the trick with diesel emissions is in the combustion temperature. You can get rid of the soot with higher combustion temperatures but then your NOx emissions go through the roof. You can get the NOx emissions down by backing down combustion temperatures, but then guess what? Your soot emissions go up which are carcinogenic and settle around. So the urea injection systems are a way of scrubbing the NOx emissions out of the exhaust while also keeping combustion temps higher which allows for low soot emissions and a "clean" diesel engine. Yeah the Euro diesels are great, but they're not perfect either. I personally would love to buy a 530d or 535d, but I doubt one will be here in time for me to consider one. The new Benz E320 CDI is very tempting too, but their quality control is horrible and I'm just not a Mercedes kind of guy.
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Last I read the EPA was going to allow it, but not without a lot of pre-conditions. Like there must be a light on the dash if it runs empty, people must be able to come to dealerships to get it filled free of charge, and it must be available at independent shops also. The EPA is nervous about a ton of diesels running around that require maintenance every 10-15k miles to keep it emissions legal. They'd rather have it built into the car, for the life of the car. It's not so much of a concern on newer cars, but rather used ones where owner might not keep up with the maintenance. |
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Between the two of us, my wife is the SUV driver, but even she hates the high fuel consumption. She's either going to get a Lexus RX next (boring), or the redesigned X5 a year or so after it comes out (much better). If they have a diesel, I'll definitely have her test drive one. Quote:
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Like it or not there is a problem. I hate following diesels. I do what ever I can to pass them even if means breaking the law to do so. Well, I don't really break the law... |
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