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      05-06-2019, 12:06 PM   #1
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15,000 miles with my F90 M5 - positives and negatives

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I just hit 15k miles with this amazing car and so far here are my impressions:

The Positives:
  • Unlike others have experienced I still have no rattles at all inside the car. I have a very early HEA build and it was built like a tank. I have H&R springs and the roads to and from my house are canyons that have not been repaved in a decade so the car gets abused.
  • I am still amazed at how it changes character at the press of a button. I have not owned a car before that can go from such a comfortable, docile car to a tightly sprung, angry, high revving canyon eater like the M5 going from full efficient to full sports plus. It really is Jekyll and Hyde in a car.
  • I love how inconspicuous it is and only car people know what it is. This allows me to go anywhere without feeling like people are looking and at work at least I don't feel like a jerk pulling into meetings.
  • It is a large car but never feels that way. It's shrinks around itself when maneuvering around traffic and in the twisty stuff.
  • I have a few mods but this car is as great as it was from the factory. The exhaust mod is a must though. I have the eisenmann race with the M Sport mid pipes and also removed the resonators. It can get loud and drones but I prefer that than the quiet stock system or even the eisenmann performance exhaust system I had in before.
  • I have learned to ignore my check engine lights as they usually go away in a couple of days. The car heals itself!
  • The car is a monster in a straight line and comparable to but more impressive than my 812 or GT2rs. Those are very expensive super cars. What impressed me most is that this is a very heavy, 5 seater big sedan that in most conditions can match those cars in a straight line!

The Negatives:
  • I haven't had the best of luck with this particular car. I've had 2 idiots drive into me which did not cause much damage but still had to repair and paint.
  • The oil cooler NEEDS to be protected better from the factory. The fact that it isn't is just plain negligent considering how easily it is to puncture, and how quickly the engine will seize. I had to replace my engine and it cost my insurance $60k to repair because a stick went right through the oil cooler. I highly recommend the IND oil cooler guard for this car. It's not worth not having it installed.
  • The brakes on my car ( non ceramic ) make more noise than the first generation Porsche or Mercedes carbon brakes when cold. It's embarrassing in stop and go traffic and BMW said they did all they can to eliminate it. ( replaced rotors and pads twice) it's just mind blowing to me that all other manufacturers can make quiet, high performance brake pads but not BMW?
  • My car was flagged for having a RaceChip ( my fault and long story) however come on BMWNA. This is just a bad policy!

I change my daily drivers almost every year since I drive about 30k miles a year split between my M5 and my Range Rover. All I can say about this car is that despite issues and bad luck it is still the best daily driver I have ever owned and have not found any other car on the market that can entice me to switch.
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Good stuff Sylvain- I am glad you stuck with the car even after all its been thru. 15k is definitely a higher mile car for someone here Id fathom.

Are you eyeing anything else right now??
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Great post and agreed, can't get enough of mine
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Good stuff Sylvain- I am glad you stuck with the car even after all its been thru. 15k is definitely a higher mile car for someone here Id fathom.

Are you eyeing anything else right now??
I haven't found anything I like to replace the M5. I drove the GT63s last year at pebble and you know how I feel about that car. The only car I know coming that I'm looking forward to is the M8 GC. How about you Vic?
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Great post thanks for sharing your experience with the m5! Did you have the RaceChip in the car when they flagged you or did they catch it through the software?
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I haven't found anything I like to replace the M5.
Lamborghini Urus SUV?
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Thanks for sharing your ownership experience.

This exposed oil cooler issue seems very alarming to me. Has BMW made any design changes for the 2019 models to address this, or do I have to worry about this too? I suspect, this could be a potential problem for those who track theirs occasionally as well. A rock or debris kicked up from the car in front at high speed could spell trouble for such an exposed oil cooler.
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I haven't found anything I like to replace the M5.
Lamborghini Urus SUV?
I have an SUV in the Range Rover and the lambo is 1. too flashy as my daily and 2. Doesn't drive as well as the M5
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Thanks for sharing your ownership experience.

This exposed oil cooler issue seems very alarming to me. Has BMW made any design changes for the 2019 models to address this, or do I have to worry about this too? I suspect, this could be a potential problem for those who track theirs occasionally as well. A rock or debris kicked up from the car in front at high speed could spell trouble for such an exposed oil cooler.
They haven't fixed it and doubt they will that's why the IND oil guard is a must
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I haven't found anything I like to replace the M5. I drove the GT63s last year at pebble and you know how I feel about that car. The only car I know coming that I'm looking forward to is the M8 GC. How about you Vic?
This car is on track for a birthday (Aug) with me and that says volumes about what it brings to my pleasure principle level LOL.

And the First Edition paint and smoke white interior continue to please.
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Thanks for the review. Agreed on almost all fronts.

You mentioned you got 'flagged'--did they state precisely what the implication of being 'flagged' is? Related, you were flagged because you left it installed during a service appointment or something else?
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They haven't fixed it and doubt they will that's why the IND oil guard is a must
Is the oil guard a reasonably do-able DIY install? Bumper removal necessary? I have a floor jack and jack stands and can change my own brake pads during track events, and that's about the extent of my mechanical expertise.
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Great write-up. Thanks for sharing.
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I have an SUV in the Range Rover and the lambo is 1. too flashy as my daily and 2. Doesn't drive as well as the M5
I havent driven the Urus but was thinking this might be the only step up to the M5 from a 4 door daily driving perspective.....also choosing a low key color wouldnt make it too flashy....also a Range Rover is one boring daily.... lets see how the M8 turns out



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I just hit 15k miles with this amazing car and so far here are my impressions:

- Unlike others have experienced I still have no rattles at all inside the car. I have a very early HEA build and it was built like a tank. I have H&R springs and the roads to and from my house are canyons that have not been repaved in a decade so the car gets abused.
- I am still amazed at how it changes character at the press of a button. I have not owned a car before that can go from such a comfortable, docile car to a tightly sprung, angry, high revving canyon eater like the M5 going from full efficient to full sports plus. It really is Jekyll and Hyde in a car.
- I love how inconspicuous it is and only car people know what it is. This allows me to go anywhere without feeling like people are looking and at work at least I don't feel like a jerk pulling into meetings.
- It is a large car but never feels that way. It's shrinks around itself when maneuvering around traffic and in the twisty stuff.
- I have a few mods but this car is as great as it was from the factory. The exhaust mod is a must though. I have the eisenmann race with the M Sport mid pipes and also removed the resonators. It can get loud and drones but I prefer that than the quiet stock system or even the eisenmann performance exhaust system I had in before.
- I have learned to ignore my check engine lights as they usually go away in a couple of days. The car heals itself!
- The car is a monster in a straight line and comparable to but more impressive than my 812 or GT2rs. Those are very expensive super cars. What impressed me most is that this is a very heavy, 5 seater big sedan that in most conditions can match those cars in a straight line!
The negatives:
- I haven't had the best of luck with this particular car. I've had 2 idiots drive into me which did not cause much damage but still had to repair and paint.
- The oil cooler NEEDS to be protected better from the factory. The fact that it isn't is just plain negligent considering how easily it is to puncture, and how quickly the engine will seize. I had to replace my engine and it cost my insurance $60k to repair because a stick went right through the oil cooler. I highly recommend the IND oil cooler guard for this car. It's not worth not having it installed.
- The brakes on my car ( non ceramic ) make more noise than the first generation Porsche or Mercedes carbon brakes when cold. It's embarrassing in stop and go traffic and BMW said they did all they can to eliminate it. ( replaced rotors and pads twice) it's just mind blowing to me that all other manufacturers can make quiet, high performance brake pads but not BMW?
- My car was flagged for having a RaceChip ( my fault and long story) however come on BMWNA. This is just a bad policy!

I change my daily drivers almost every year since I drive about 30k miles a year split between my M5 and my Range Rover. All I can say about this car is that despite issues and bad luck it is still the best daily driver I have ever owned and have not found any other car on the market that can entice me to switch.
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nice to hear feedback, - However I still find it piggy, aka fat.
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This was well written and agreed on most accounts... This car has no business being this quick and to same extent neither should the e63s I just got rid of recently... This has more of a switch from comfort to sport than the e63 did - your kidneys still felt like they were in your esophagus...

I dislike the passenger seatbelt hitting the pillars when there's no passenger...

And the cheap paint everyone's been using as of late due to all the cancer warnings, fears and whatnot...

Also, I don't feel like she drives like a bloated heavy pig - which I feared but she's nimble and surefooted...

PS - Gorgeous home... Now, we need pics of the garage please...
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If I recall, you also owned an E46 M3 before, and simple math shows your next car as M3 + M5 = M8.
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This was well written and agreed on most accounts... This car has no business being this quick and to same extent neither should the e63s I just got rid of recently... This has more of a switch from comfort to sport than the e63 did - your kidneys still felt like they were in your esophagus...

I dislike the passenger seatbelt hitting the pillars when there's no passenger...

And the cheap paint everyone's been using as of late due to all the cancer warnings, fears and whatnot...

Also, I don't feel like she drives like a bloated heavy pig - which I feared but she's nimble and surefooted...

PS - Gorgeous home... Now, we need pics of the garage please...
I also had a 2018 E63s before the M5 and although the engine and exhaust is intoxicating and it looks more aggressive than the M5 i was never a big fan since it rode way too stiff for this type of car and the Transmission made it feel like you were being rear ended when coming to stops or going from 3rd to 2nd gear.
although the interior was beautiful the build quality was poor and response of the command system was very slow.
I ended up having to lemon the car since I had so many issues but even without those I just feel the M5 is a better executed product.
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If I recall, you also owned an E46 M3 before, and simple math shows your next car as M3 + M5 = M8.
Yeah I did have an M3 as my last M car. I mean that was 13 years ago but still
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Honest and concise review.. thank you!
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