[DontHait]

I saw that CTS Turbo has a similar offering for about $30. Does anyone have experience with either that would sway them in one direction?

I've read about fitment issues on VRSF so is $30 more for CTS worth it?

[B58]

I have the 4.5" vrsf catless and did not have any fitment issues.

[Antec800]

No issues with my vrsf either

[CrushJelly]

I will never buy another VRSF product.

https://www.babybmw.net/forum/viewto...?f=74&t=119046

[Vinnie Stix]

Mine fit with no issues whatsoever...

[CrushJelly]

Mine had no fitment issues.

It was the fact that there is no mounting bracket where OEM cat mounts directly to the car, and where all other aftermarket manufacturers have this OEM mounting bracket, that taught me why VRSF are cheap.

All the weight is now directly imparted on the connection point between the turbo and the DP.

Good luck with that.

My exhaust guy has fabricated a clamp and bracket system. It should have come like that from VRSF's factory.

There's a reason why the other 5 or 6 aftermarket brands have that bracket.

[the dope steez]

CTS turbo makes a quality product. Big fan of my downpipe from them

[B58]

Originally Posted by Jahjaman

Mine had no fitment issues.

It was the fact that there is no mounting bracket where OEM cat mounts directly to the car, and where all other aftermarket manufacturers have this OEM mounting bracket, that taught me why VRSF are cheap.

All the weight is now directly imparted on the connection point between the turbo and the DP.

Good luck with that.

My exhaust guy has fabricated a clamp and bracket system. It should have come like that from VRSF's factory.

There's a reason why the other 5 or 6 aftermarket brands have that bracket.

Well it seems like you’re only upset about the vrsf not having a bracket and no issues with the fitment. It’s a common bought down pipe because it’s a piece of metal 4.5” gutted out for $300 and that’s reasonable for a lot of wallets in this community.

[CrushJelly]

Originally Posted by B58

Well it seems like you’re only upset about the vrsf not having a bracket and no issues with the fitment. It’s a common bought down pipe because it’s a piece of metal 4.5” gutted out for $300 and that’s reasonable for a lot of wallets in this community.

That's right. If you care about the stress imparted on your turbo flange and the potential longevity on that part, you'd be the same.

N55 downpipes are minuscule compared to the size and weight of the B58 downpipe. To think that it doesn't need the mounting bracket, whereas OEM and all other manufacturers make use of the mounting bracket - that's simply lazy ass engineering.

Not to mention the salesperson never explained why they didn't think the mounting bracket was required, after many repeated questions from me as to "why?"

Simply ignorant engineering.

[mike@x-ph.com]

VRSF fits without any issues and we offer lifetime warranty with all their products

[kern417]

I like CTS Turbo. I have their big turbo kit on my volkswagen and Clay helped me out a lot in the past. However I don't see a B58 Downpipe offering on their website yet. They also said that they're working on a garret turbo hybrid kit to upgrade our stock turbos, so I'm waiting on that too.

The VRSF pricepoint is right but I'm not a fan of the hit or miss feedback I see. And if it fits but no bracket means excessive vibration, potentially breaking welds, etc. then I'll wait for something else that's reasonably priced.

Edit: Nevermind, I found it. For some reason they only have it linked to the G30? Also looks like it doesn't use a bracket either.
https://www.ctsturbo.com/product/cts...e-for-bmw-b58/

[bm3tuning]

Originally Posted by the dope steez

CTS turbo makes a quality product. Big fan of my downpipe from them

+1

Originally Posted by kern417

I like CTS Turbo. I have their big turbo kit on my volkswagen and Clay helped me out a lot in the past. However I don't see a B58 Downpipe offering on their website yet. They also said that they're working on a garret turbo hybrid kit to upgrade our stock turbos, so I'm waiting on that too.

The VRSF pricepoint is right but I'm not a fan of the hit or miss feedback I see. And if it fits but no bracket means excessive vibration, potentially breaking welds, etc. then I'll wait for something else that's reasonably priced.

Edit: Nevermind, I found it. For some reason they only have it linked to the G30? Also looks like it doesn't use a bracket either.
https://www.ctsturbo.com/product/cts...e-for-bmw-b58/

+1 Clay is the best!

2 of my 340 friends have their DP, just search B58 and it should come up

We have CTS Turbo DP installed across all our friends in the area (N55 / S55 / B58) Some guys with M3/M4 have recently gotten their Intakes as it doesn't cause any MAF issues like others. I remember in the N55 so many folks having MAF issues with Intakes except CTS came out to be 1 of the 3 that didn't. Speak Highly!

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by kern417

I'll wait for something else that's reasonably priced.

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Your best option is the Evolution Racewerks downpipe

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by bootmod3nyc

+1

+1 Clay is the best!

2 of my 340 friends have their DP, just search B58 and it should come up

We have CTS Turbo DP installed across all our friends in the area (N55 / S55 / B58) Some guys with M3/M4 have recently gotten their Intakes as it doesn't cause any MAF issues like others. I remember in the N55 so many folks having MAF issues with Intakes except CTS came out to be 1 of the 3 that didn't. Speak Highly!

+1 have CTS Turbo in my M3 had it in my X4 M40i as well.

Friend just sent me a pic of his CTS B58 DP for his X3 M40i and other friend getting his next week for 340

[Jake From State Farm]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Your best option is the Evolution Racewerks downpipe

Hey Mike, why do you feel the ER catless is the best option? Is it the ceramic coating? Seems like all of the options are similar in design and just curious what would justify the additional $$ for the ER. I am seriously asking because I have the CTS Turbo DP and I’ve not had any issues.

Just wondering if I’m overlooking something. Thx!

[B58]

Originally Posted by JSanX5

Hey Mike, why do you feel the ER catless is the best option? Is it the ceramic coating? Seems like all of the options are similar in design and just curious what would justify the additional $$ for the ER. I am seriously asking because I have the CTS Turbo DP and I've not had any issues.

Just wondering if I'm overlooking something. Thx!

I heard from a few that the ER is the best sounding down-pipe and I'm not sure how though. I actually have one to install soon.

[Tiago@VRSF]

Originally Posted by B58

I have the 4.5" vrsf catless and did not have any fitment issues.

Originally Posted by Antec800

No issues with my vrsf either

Originally Posted by Vinnie Stix

Mine fit with no issues whatsoever...

Originally Posted by Jahjaman

Mine had no fitment issues.

It was the fact that there is no mounting bracket where OEM cat mounts directly to the car, and where all other aftermarket manufacturers have this OEM mounting bracket, that taught me why VRSF are cheap.

All the weight is now directly imparted on the connection point between the turbo and the DP.

Good luck with that.

My exhaust guy has fabricated a clamp and bracket system. It should have come like that from VRSF's factory.

There's a reason why the other 5 or 6 aftermarket brands have that bracket.

Originally Posted by B58

Well it seems like you’re only upset about the vrsf not having a bracket and no issues with the fitment. It’s a common bought down pipe because it’s a piece of metal 4.5” gutted out for $300 and that’s reasonable for a lot of wallets in this community.

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

VRSF fits without any issues and we offer lifetime warranty with all their products

Thanks for the kind words guys. We have hundreds of these sold and successfully installed without issue. We were also to offer a cost effective, BMW-tax free downpipe for this platform and have quite a few more B58 products lined up at the same, affordable price point.

As far as the mounting bracket goes, it's simply unnecessary. The BMW N54 market is clear proof that the bracket is simply another over engineered inclusion from BMW in order to make it easier for techs to align the downpipe with the turbo and catback.

The most popular N54 and N55 downpipes do not have mounting brackets and there are even less mounting points for the catback whereas the B58 has significantly more bracing to eliminate stress from the downpipe and catback.

If anything, bracing a moving object to a solid object would create more vibration, not less.

[CrushJelly]

N55 downpipes are minuscule compared to the B58.
Not sure how you can compare the two, or apply logic befitting one to the other.

The B58 oem downpipe also makes use of the flex joint - it actually flexes. You can move it yourself by hand.

The VRSF flex joint, in comparison, doesn't flex at all. It's basically a solid joint.

Is there a reason why it's so much stiffer than the oem flex joint?

Did you consider the fact that any movement in the exhaust mid pipe and backbox would have previously been isolated from the OEM downpipe due to the flex joint, but now that VRSF joint is so stiff, that movement would be directly transferred to the turbo flange connection point?

[B58]

Originally Posted by Jahjaman

N55 downpipes are minuscule compared to the B58.
Not sure how you can compare the two, or apply logic befitting one to the other.

The B58 oem downpipe also makes use of the flex joint - it actually flexes. You can move it yourself by hand.

The VRSF flex joint, in comparison, doesn't flex at all. It's basically a solid joint.

Is there a reason why it's so much stiffer than the oem flex joint?

Did you consider the fact that any movement in the exhaust mid pipe and backbox would have previously been isolated from the OEM downpipe due to the flex joint, but now that VRSF joint is so stiff, that movement would be directly transferred to the turbo flange connection point?

Now you're starting to sound too scientific to be a upset former customer with the missing bracket and the flex joint....

[CrushJelly]

Originally Posted by B58

Now you're starting to sound too scientific to be a upset former customer with the missing bracket and the flex joint....

Simply questions that I had asked Tiago several times previously but never got a response to

[Tiago@VRSF]

Originally Posted by Jahjaman

Simply questions that I had asked Tiago several times previously but never got a response to

To be fair we responded multiple times, we just didn't give you the answer you wanted.

Thanks again for the support guys, we appreciate it.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Here are some of the reviews we received for the VRSF B58 downpipe

Jarrad
Installed on the weekend. Great quality and great service!

PABLO
The best upgrade and the sound amazing

Michael
Completely changed the sound of my car and gave it additional power that was previously being choked by the oem downpipe. Highly recommend as the next mod following a tune.

Samir
It sounds good ❤️

Eric
Great down-pipe. Shipped quick and fit like a charm. The B58 sounds amazing with a catless down-pipe!

dennis
very happy with it at this moment

Nic
This has been the best investment made for my 340i MPPK. Love this down pipe!

Derrick
Great product. Just had it installed from my local shop. Sounds much louder with extra performance you can feel.

Nick
Excellent customer service, they were able to get my product shipped fast after a quick email. Killer product very happy with quality and price!

john
Beautiful downpipe just needs to come with a gasket

Jalene
needed gasket should have bin included lost one day trying to find one still am verry happy

Isaiah
Love everything about it ! This down pipe is worth every penny . Gives the stock exhaust a nice tone. Very good power gain as well. I should have purchased the product sooner ! Highly recommended !